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Replying to Avatar Chris Liss

I wanted to post a quote from Jiddu Krishnamurti who if I remember correctly once said something to the effect of:

*An artist should be like Beethoven. The music just flowed out of him, and he could neither stop it nor control it.*

But I can’t find the source, I’m just going by memory, and it was from a long time ago. It doesn’t matter though if he really said it, because it’s the quote I wanted to post.

. . .

When I was 21, my friend Andrew and I made a four hour drive one Saturday morning from New York to Germantown, Maryland to see a Korean Buddhist monk. I heard about the monk from my Korean college roommate whose mom knew him. Andrew and I had been reading books about Buddhism for the preceding year and thought it would be worthwhile to see the real thing. We also had various anxieties about our lives and figured maybe he could offer some guidance.

When we arrived at the farm where he lived, we parked and stepped out of the car. I don’t want to exaggerate, but even in the lot which had to be 40 yards from the main building was this strong feeling like you could just fall to the ground and start weeping for the sorrows of your life.

We walked to the door of the monastery and knocked. A few seconds later, a bald, 50-something Korean man opened it, looked out at us with a blank face. We awkwardly told him we had come to see him. In a thick Korean accent he said today was the wrong day for us, come back tomorrow and shut the door. We stood there dumbfounded. We had woken up at 6 am and driven four hours. He was an enlightened monk. He couldn’t just turn us away.

Nervously, I knocked again. He came back out, same blank look. I told him we had driven all the way from New York. He motioned for us to come in, and we followed.

Inside were maybe 25 Koreans all waiting to see the monk whose name it turned out was Dr. Shin. The Koreans had filled a large wooden table with a massive buffet of Korean food, and Andrew and I were invited to help ourselves which we did. People were individually or in couples going into a small meditation room where Dr. Shin sat and attended to them. After at least an hour, someone motioned to us it was our turn.

We were there for probably 5-10 minutes. I don’t remember who spoke first, or the entirety of the conversation, only a few snippets which have stayed with me. I told him I didn’t really know what I wanted to do with my life. I thought maybe I wanted to be a writer. He laughed out loud. ā€œYou want to be artist?ā€ he said with his thick accent. ā€œYou pumping gas. Hahahahahah!ā€ Then he looked at me seriously, and said, ā€œBusiness and law. You study business and law.ā€

. . .

I’m 53 years old as I type this in October of 2024, and my ā€œjobā€ now is to write and talk about things as I see fit. I started my Substack in 2020, and while my [first post](https://www.chrisliss.com/p/zero-and-infinity) was about large numbers, my [second one](https://www.chrisliss.com/p/brainwashing-your-kids) was more from the heart. I create for a ā€œlivingā€, and I suppose that makes me an artist of sorts. But when I think back to the words of Dr. Shin, he was 100 percent right.

. . .

Most people should not try to be artists. You can’t easily make a living at it. It’s the wrong way to go about achieving status or security in society. There are some people who simply have no choice. They live for what they do, and even if they die broke and alone, they could not have done otherwise. Those are artists.

So what the hell am I doing?

I belong to a relatively small minority, those with something to say. I was always like this, even during the visit with Dr. Shin. But in my 20s and 30s I could not have done it. I needed to contribute something, get the reward part out of the way. I lacked the confidence and conviction to create whether or not anyone were interested in my work or wanted to compensate me for it. And unlike real artists, I had a choice. I don’t know if I could have dealt with a real job, but helping run a small fantasy sports business, something I loved, was possible for me, and I was lucky enough to find it.

. . .

Now I’m beyond that phase. I have enough money, a partner, a daughter and a dog. I like recognition and paychecks as much as the next person, but I’m not thirsty. I’ll say what I think (mostly) without regard for how it’ll affect my readership or reputation. I can open my mind and let the ideas out. Maybe it’s not quite like Beethoven, but more along the lines of Jorge Luis Borges who said:

*I do not write for a select minority, which means nothing to me, nor for that adulated platonic entity known as ā€˜The Masses’. Both abstractions, so dear to the demagogue, I disbelieve in. I write for myself and for my friends, and I write to ease the passing of time.*

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Replying to Avatar Silberengel

## Yesterday was also a day

I'm still quite bullish about using Nostr to publish, and generally for OtherStuff, but I was feeling a bit pessimistic about the microblogging (kind 01) feeds on Nostr, yesterday. And, rightly so. Mine has been grinding slowly to a halt, and not for lack of effort, on my part. I regularly hear reports, from other npubs, that they sense the same phenomenon.

Most of the people I have whitelisted on the wss://theforest.nostr1.com relay (currently 302, in number) are beginning to give up on Kind 01 clients, except for occasionally making an announcement, and are increasingly moving their chatting off-Nostr. (I'm still privy to those conversations, but most of you no longer are.)

So, my feed has been getting quieter and quieter. Even adding new people doesn't help much, as they don't tend to stick around, for long, so it's a Sisyphean task.

![Relay curation]()

Some others are still bothering to show up, regularly, but they increasingly see it as a chore, or something they do to "keep up appearances". Add me to this group of wearied, diligent noters, holding down the microblogging feeds, with our exhausting attempt at #KeepingNostrWeird, while the influencers surround the gates and the Kind 01 feeds dissolve into nothing but warmed-over Bitcoin memes, GM notes, notifications from the OtherStuff, and Things Copied from X.

![Live view of us defending the microblogging feed.]()

The problem of barren, intellectually-emptying Kind 01 feeds is further exacerbated by the fact that new entrants to the Nostrverse find it increasingly easy to "find good follows", but they're all only finding the same follows: whoever is on the trending list.

## The See-Nothings

I keep complaining about this, but the responses I get are generally unhelpful. They are:

* mockery -- Oh, Miss Hoity-Toity wants more attention!

* insults -- Nobody is talking to you because you are boring and stupid, and nobody likes you.

* clueless -- You should try replying to other people, then they might reply to you.

* or they tell me to just stop looking at the list, if it upsets me.

![I see nothing.]()

What people are missing, by telling me to just not look at the trending lists, is that the lists are a statistic of what real humans are looking at, on Nostr. The bizarrely-high concentration of npubs, on the list, so that their entries show up multiple times, suggests that what people are primarily looking at... is the trending list.

![Yes, the same npub 9 times.]()

Either directly, because they use a client that has that built in, or indirectly, as they have been onboarded with the lists or told to "just follow the people I follow", which leads to a steadily-rising concentration of follows. This concentrating effect is accelerating.

The newly-popular WoT (web of trust) relays further exacerbate this effect, as they put a premium on the npubs that have the highest WoT score, which -- surprise, surprise! -- are the same people as on the trending list.

And this is why everyone on the trending list insists Nostr is a fun, happening place, full of human interaction. A place where replying reverently to Jack and posting GM religiously will make you a sought-after conversant. It is that place. For them.

In fact, they've reached that glorious state of #PeakSocialMedia, where they have become famous for being famous, and no longer have to even pretend to be trying to appeal to anyone with their content. They can post literal garbage, and their ~~fans~~ ~~groupies~~ ~~sycophants~~ commentariat will cheer them on, and flood their replies with ardent encouragement. Less because those other npubs actually cared about what they posted, than because they are hoping to pick up new followers in those threads, since they know that everyone is looking at those threads, because those threads are trending.

It's a pyramid scheme of following.

![Feeling blue]()

For the rest of us... the vast majority of us... that blue line at the bottom is mostly how it feels.

## The trend is to trending.

What we no longer have, is people looking directly at relay feeds, to find new people, or even their own follow list feeds, to see npubs they've already subscribed to. Even when people follow me, they usually don't respond until I'm trending, which suggests that they're also seeing me on the trending list because that is what they're primarily looking at. This is why, as soon as you get on the trending list, your replies explode. And your replies will be concentrated in a hardcore few, otherwise.

Those few are the reason I keep coming back, but as they're also often chatting with me off-Nostr, I am facing the question of: _Why bother with Nostr microblogging?_

This is the question I am struggling with. If kind 01 isn't for plebs chatting, anymore, (and it increasingly isn't) then it's mostly a sort of bulletin board, where we post notifications of items we've added in OtherStuff clients, or make announcements of meetups, software releases, or conferences. This, however, is compounding the dullness of the feeds and turning it into a sort of "info flyer", except for a lucky few. But, perhaps, I am simply a #NostrBoomer, who is failing to move with the times and get with the program.

![In retrospect, it was inevitable.]()

I'm slowly reaching the conclusion that Kind 01 in an open, centralized market of notes, will always coalesce around a small subset of #NostrElite and turn into a largely passive form of entertainment, or a frustratingly lonely place, for everyone else. There can only be so many people talking, at once, in a public square.

The only movement I currently see, that might end the slow slide of Kind 01 into irrelevance and tedium, is to create lots of smaller, public squares, through single-relay communities. This has been such a long time, in coming, and has been resisted by client devs so ferociously, that I worry that it's merely an attempt to close the barn door after the npubs have escaped.

I sincerely hope to be proven wrong, though. Perhaps the relay devs, who have valiantly taken up the fight, will #SaveKind01. We shall see.

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