> they often don't zap or boost, they just *like* or reply.

That's not necessarily an issue.

I'm skeptical of the idea that monetary incentives work better than these kinds of social incentive, which are part of what social media are for.

Consider Reddit and Hive. Hive (one of the few with this name) is a blockchain used for social networking which gives people monetary incentives. Reddit only gives you Reddit karma.

While Reddit has become worse for different reasons, I think one reason Reddit was better than Hive is precisely the fact that posts were not made for monetary incentives.

The Nostr community really does need to be a lot more diverse content-wise.

> that means "extra special" in Italian

What?

I have a very strongly negative opinion of Gab because it's promoted as a free speech platform (which is something I would like, if it were), but it's not. A platform which does appear to have genuine permissive policies is Minds, which I do use (although somewhat sporadically).

Minds used to integrate with Nostr, too, and also contributed to it, but now the Nostr integration is mostly broken.

I don't think arguments for joining Nostr should revolve around Bitcoin. They are different technologies with very different ideas behind them.

They do share some technical detail they wouldn't even *need* to share in theory, but the kind of decentralization they provide (full consensus vs no consensus) is almost opposite and the purpose (currency vs social networking) quite different.

It is perfectly consistent to be very interested in one but not the other or even to think one is a great idea and the other a terrible idea. In both directions.

I do not hold the opinion that bitcoiners or, for that matter, users of any other cryptocurrency, are "toxic". All kinds of currencies are the reasons for many to behave in bad ways and of course Bitcoin is no exception. On Nostr that leads to spam, for instance, but I think this might be manageable.

In the case of Nostr, I don't think it is, by itself, an instrument against *government* censorship.

But government censorship isn't the only kind of censorship and it may not even be the one that concerns me the most.

Corporate censorship leads to platforms removing things arbitrarily and having the right to do so, because they own the servers and they aren't even meant to serve us to begin with, just the investors.

I see Nostr as a potential solution against corporate censorship.

And I don't think only certain topics deserve protection against censorship because it can be, and in fact it often is, extremely arbitrary and unreasonable. And even if it weren't in practice (which it is), it'd be bad on a matter of principle and also dangerous to give corporations this much power.

For me it's not about "toppling the government", whatever that would mean, but rather reaching other people, and having them reach me.

It's about social networking without interference.

Thank you.

I've raised the same issue on Reddit and got roughly the same response: https://www.reddit.com/r/nostr/comments/1av6krh/people_to_follow/

Personally, practically anything other than Bitcoin. It's not just that I don't find money (as a topic) sufficiently interesting, but also that having one predominant topic hampers adoption.

That'd be true for any other topic, if it were the predominant one and to the same extent. A platform which is mostly about gardening, or mostly about Spiderman, or mostly about any other one topic would also fail to be an alternative to mainstream social media and would struggle to get widespread adoption.

I think mainstream platforms used to get this right, in the sense that they provided a feed most people were willing to waste their time on. Now it may no longer be the case to the same extent, but they have a large enough userbase and rely on the network effect. Nostr doesn't.

Non ho capito.

Nostr è concettualmente molto semplice da capire e da spiegare, anche a chi non ha buone conoscenze informatiche.

La parte complicata è quella che riguarda la crittografia e non serve, in verità, comprenderla nei dettagli, affatto (in effetti nemmeno la maggior parte degli informatici, me incluso, la capisce nel dettaglio).

Non credo che la difficoltà principale sia la curva di apprendimento.

C'è l'effetto network, c'è il fatto che forse i client non sono ancora abbastanza maturi, c'è il fatto che, come in effetti anche gli altri protocolli decentralizzati, specialmente quelli resistenti alla censura, Nostr ha (e continuerà ad avere) dei limiti rispetto alle piattaforme centralizzate.

Soprattutto, e lo scrivo separatamente perché è forse il punto principale, c'è il fatto che la comunità di Nostr è troppo monotematica. Bitcoin qua, bitcoin là…

Non a tutti interessa Bitcoin e anche coloro ai quali interessa, o che lo usano come sistema di pagamento, non vogliono necessariamente passare il pomeriggio a leggere gente che parla di Bitcoin. Dopo tutto, non è che sulle altre piattaforme si parli continuamente di euro o di dollari.

La verità è che Nostr non offre quello che le forse ormai nemmeno le piattaforme centralizzate offrono, ma decisamente offrivano tempo fa e che le ha aiutate a crescere. Ossia un luogo adatto a perderci tempo, adatto al cazzeggio, adatto al divertimento e allo svago.

Dove sono le battute? Dove sono i meme sui gatti? Dov'è tutto ciò che troverei sulla home di Reddit?

Nostr, allo stato attuale, non è adatto ad attirare utenti.

Personally I always have trouble writing introductions.

There isn't much to say about me, I'm not an interesting person.

Italian, born in 1996, interested in computer science (and with a CS background).

Interested in Nostr, the technical aspects and the freedom it provides. I'd like to see more content which isn't monothematic (Bitcoin being what currently prevails).

The real hack is adding a tab for when it ends up in a TSV.

But neither will mess with either file format quite as much as the apostrophe in "comma's" in this meme.

Allora seguo anche te.

Il punto è che su Nostr difficilmente funzionerebbe perché sarebbe praticamente una persona per lingua/dialetto.

Of course you can, I'm using Nostr, t.

Do note I might use it myself as well on my blog when I talk about Nostr.

I wrote that on Telegram. You commented with "this is very good".

I don't know if you changed your mind in the meanwhile.

Sono attivo da poco, ovviamente, ma conosco il protocollo e sto implementando un client.

Non credo sia errato dire che non è una piattaforma, ma nemmeno dire che lo è, in verità, dipendentemente da come si organizzano le idee.

Da una descrizione di Nostr che ho dato sul canale Telegram, in inglese, e che nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 ha approvato:

I think the simplest way to think about Nostr is this.

Suppose that you are a writer and I like reading your staff, so I follow you.

If you write on Twitter, Twitter can censor you, and I may miss on that post.

A solution could be: you write on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube (which now has textual posts too) and whatever other platfrom you want. You publish each of your posts on all of these platforms.

And I follow you on all these platforms.

This would work, and it shows that the web as a whole already is decentralized.

The issue with it is that it would take some significant effort from both of us, and I would see the same post from you multiple times.

Welcome Nostr.

Nostr relays act the same as traditional centralized platforms, except that they all offer (kind of) the same API.

With just one Nostr client, publishing the same post to multiple relays is trivial.

And if you follow the same user from multiple relays, you see each post only once. And you only need to use one interface.

So while each relay essentially behaves as a platform, actually this is mostly transparent to the user and from the user's prospective (which is the most important one) the whole Nostr echosystem is essentially just one decentralized platform.

Il suo profilo appare completamente vuoto (eccetto per il fatto di aver impostato un nome utente), anche usando njump.me.

Anche io probabilmente scriverò principalmente in inglese, in verità.

A me pare già difficile avere contenuti in italiano.

Peraltro molti, me incluso, non parlano le lingue locali nemmeno fuori da internet.

E, in verità, anche i "dialetti" (che, lo so, sono così definiti in propriamente) hanno a loro volta molti dialetti (questa volta in senso proprio).

Usando questi ultimi si creerebbero comunità veramente piccolissime.

La maggior parte delle persone su Nostr, italiani inclusi, scrive in inglese.

È comprensibile e non è nemmeno una cosa negativa.

Mi piacerebbe ci fossero più contenuti anche in altre lingue, italiano incluso.

New post on my personal blog: "On freedom of expression".

https://www.functorfault.net/posts/free-speech/

#freespeech #freedomofspeech #freedomofexpression #freedom #liberty

Sto seguendo alcuni utenti Nostr italiani/italofoni: nostr:npub1va4p93je9d2fnwpe2xuvs8lshjtugyd6hv84hc6nz85mh3wp5eqqg0u6hq, nostr:npub1rlcev8q8u9y56rk5vfjrvcq5yv2tjpuzdfcpx93swcrwfw0lugwqulkyr5, nostr:npub1sej07d37lnfk592wlh9uv2dy68jv2y0ez98p6dw7w0llx89hswesvs5fqm, nostr:npub1c2p82fyndhk66hmz808c5pxjq8el60kh6jgj5xgdhmhksh69ktmsz8dcj5, nostr:npub1c2p82fyndhk66hmz808c5pxjq8el60kh6jgj5xgdhmhksh69ktmsz8dcj5, nostr:npub1gkgrsna9wxs5ggf5p5meu7jcjegs8vgyenp9a5dfkscfna5nrajqtrfmrz, nostr:npub10000003zmk89narqpczy4ff6rnuht2wu05na7kpnh3mak7z2tqzsv8vwqk, nostr:npub1au23c73cpaq2whtazjf6cdrmvam6nkd4lg928nwmgl78374kn29sq9t53j, nostr:npub1ty8ptvutuptqxzws9nua6gpukttpmpe89hts3teatgg9ymefl6uspn6fgn, nostr:npub12t8fnzkj4xprh894hw842vx43368setkq3zkjgl7z6z9fkgm8xyqkvh2zk, nostr:npub1ypnczq2eguxuuny4ajuk6faaq8lrqv9ygcf5mhwa520twtratqxs5jaej2, nostr:npub1z4wq9j65a6xrkq0pvhy8k5y06h50ych6uzvmlw9ywn90ph0ruyxqfnpqpt, nostr:npub1egsvj5ce98qmn2ja6vdph9f2yqjnzqgcu4m46qddy3qjnd6yuxcshptycp, nostr:npub13pnmakf738yn6rv2ex9jgs7924renmderyp5d9rtztsr7ymxg3gqej06vw e nostr:npub1cqlc6lzlzkx4rhg5k8dne05wmzmldwf5ua73j9mg9484z7cnuhjq8atcz9.

Sarebbe bello se Nostr avesse più post in italiano e se avesse successo anche in Italia.

#nostr #nostritalia #italia #italy #italiano #it #grownostr