Still can't spell #Bitcoin properly 😓
We're so early...
"True story!"
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We need more of this! 😂💜🔥
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I read "tear up", I thought "tear up 🥲"
Still PTSD from that legal tender announcement 😂
Since you pretend I don't understand Bitcoin nor chain analysis, without knowing anything about me, just based on your blind adoration for Nopara & friends, let me be clear too, and let's end this unproductive exchange.
Look fanboy, IDK if M. Saylor is a spook and i couldn't care less. Maybe he is. Cool. Haven't listened to your video on that, last time I watched you was a Wasabi promotional clown show with Peter Todd and I stopped there. Permanently.
I don't disagree, Samourai guys may very well be spooks.
I just say I don't care, because I understand their software & protocol enough. Including the nuances, tradeoffs, and the BS arguments from Wasabi team that you will surely repeat on loop, and I already heard 1000 times somewhere else.
But I'm not saying they're not spooks. I don't know that.
And I don't defend them, nor Saylor.
See? We don't disagree on everything!
What I say is that your replies are disingenuous and full of shit + condescendance, almost every line. The fact that Wasabi pays you generously has nothing to do with it, of course. You're just a fanboy who happens to be sponsored...
No comment...
It's fine, keep doing your thing, but don't be surprised when others call you out on this wasabi insanity. You may or may not be right about Samourai. But supporting chain surveillance is nuts. And a spook accusation coming from your corner, no matter who's your target, is laughable.
Citadel Dispatch, episode 15.
Everyone should go listen to that.
How did they fix the problem since then? Many improvements to their wallet (some good ones!), and... Partnership with chain surveillance. Yay!! 🤦♂️
"Privacy wallet"... Seriously... This is pathetic. 🤡
Other coinjoin protocols are sound, and don't need that type of partnership to operate. Are you saying JoinMarket is operated by NSA or something?
They also don't need crazy sponsoring budget to get people to use it and forget how clownish they've been all along. They pay nothing, they make no advertisement, yet people use their software. Maybe there's an actual reason, beyond the fantasies you tell yourself.
Keep writing if you like, I'm done. If, in a distant future, you wish to discuss all this in good faith, and not as a fanboy/employee of a surveillance firm contractor, I'll be happy to.
GN.
I don't see multiple posts. But the order is messed up...
No big deal 🙄
I don't say I am technical enough, I say i could be.
I also say, since you promote a project directly linked to surveillance companies, you're not the best person to call people spooks. And your arguments are ridiculous, or simply lies.
You can keep laughing and smiling, or being condescending, this doesn't make you right.
In Citadel Dispatch 25, Nopara refuses to answer questions, to the point Matt Odell is on the verge of losing patience and it's palpable. That says something about the insanity of this interview.
This has NOTHING to do with being a native speaker or not.
His English is probably better than mine, but he's not debating in good faith, and neither are you. So no, I'm not gonna tell you more, this is a waste of time. Precious resource for both of us.
You can rightfully call Wasabi wallet cowardly, but if you were in their position would you choose to go to jail like the Tornado Cash dev while being unable to pay the developers who work on building the future of privacy? As a matter of fact, are spooks ever concerned about going to jail or do they LARP 24/7 on Twitter about having created a wallet for the streets that’s perfect even though it collects the xpubs of users (I’m referring to Samourai here).
You also don’t understand how this works. Bitcoin is a public ledger, chain surveillance doesn’t need anyone to send them addresses because it’s all in the open. What CoinJoins do is to do large public transactions where the inputs are known, while the outputs become a more difficult guess.
What ZK Snacks did was to avoid “North Korea and human traffickers are using Wasabi” accusations by denying service to unwanted participants. They have no expertise in filtering, so they delegated the task to a company which already curates lists of addresses associated with crime.
When you own a blacklisted UTXO and try to join a CJ round, you get an error message on your screen. Wasabi, ZK Snacks & blockchain analysis can’t know who/where you are because they have no access to IP addresses (communications happen over Tor) or xpubs (Wasabi makes you download blocks so you don’t use somebody else’s node).
Blockchain analysis doesn’t get any kind of information that they didn’t already have.
The side effect of this controversial decision is that the volumes increased. Now exchanges can no longer accuse Wasabi CoinJoins of being potentially criminal. They might as well join some rounds too. So if you get into a Wasabi mix, you know that your coins are universally accepted.
I’m sorry that you got poisoned with misinformation and distorted facts. But in the spirit of Bitcoin, I’ll let you take a look at a Wasabi CoinJoin so you understand what it is and what it does: https://mempool.space/tx/13e6b17842c4aeee6f30642abb493f7eea0fcd809df9a35a83a3c364addb1ae3
On another topic, not sure if it's your client, mine, or relays, but threads are messed up in this discussion, from the very beginning.
Something to do with quoting I guess.
My reply was supposed to appear after your note below.
PV.
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You can rightfully call Wasabi wallet cowardly, but if you were in their position would you choose to go to jail like the Tornado Cash dev while being unable to pay the developers who work on building the future of privacy? As a matter of fact, are spooks ever concerned about going to jail or do they LARP 24/7 on Twitter about having created a wallet for the streets that’s perfect even though it collects the xpubs of users (I’m referring to Samourai here).
You also don’t understand how this works. Bitcoin is a public ledger, chain surveillance doesn’t need anyone to send them addresses because it’s all in the open. What CoinJoins do is to do large public transactions where the inputs are known, while the outputs become a more difficult guess.
What ZK Snacks did was to avoid “North Korea and human traffickers are using Wasabi” accusations by denying service to unwanted participants. They have no expertise in filtering, so they delegated the task to a company which already curates lists of addresses associated with crime.
When you own a blacklisted UTXO and try to join a CJ round, you get an error message on your screen. Wasabi, ZK Snacks & blockchain analysis can’t know who/where you are because they have no access to IP addresses (communications happen over Tor) or xpubs (Wasabi makes you download blocks so you don’t use somebody else’s node).
Blockchain analysis doesn’t get any kind of information that they didn’t already have.
The side effect of this controversial decision is that the volumes increased. Now exchanges can no longer accuse Wasabi CoinJoins of being potentially criminal. They might as well join some rounds too. So if you get into a Wasabi mix, you know that your coins are universally accepted.
I’m sorry that you got poisoned with misinformation and distorted facts. But in the spirit of Bitcoin, I’ll let you take a look at a Wasabi CoinJoin so you understand what it is and what it does: https://mempool.space/tx/13e6b17842c4aeee6f30642abb493f7eea0fcd809df9a35a83a3c364addb1ae3
This answer is better than your precious "lol", but you make serious accusations towards Samourai devs, based on lies (Heard about running your own dojo? Of course you have. Maybe mention it next time...)
Those "spooks" don't need to pay anyone to get their open-source product used by many. Unlike Wasabi sponsoring you and many others "influencers" much bigger than you. That's a lot of cash. Just saying.
Your condescending remarks about my understanding of this topic:
Dude, you're a very public figure, we all know where you stand with this tech, and how well you (mis)understand it
You don't know the first thing about me. For all you know, I could have contributed to all 3 main CJ projects during the past 5 years.
Don't worry about me. I understand enough to call BS when I see BS. So spare me the condescendance, and the other fallacious blobs. I won't reply to all of them. If you really believe there's nothing else to discuss.
You try to justify the collab with chain surveillance, and mentioning a few positive outcomes doesn't change the facts, this is just wrong. And yeah, chain analysis (so the 3 letters agencies) know more thanks to Wasabi. No matter how you portray it, with a lot of misconceptions.
There's a lot of things I like with Wasabi, but the problems far outweigh the benefits.
We're not gonna agree on this so let's move on I guess 🙄
Everyone should go listen to the full CITADEL DISPATCH episode 15 with Openoms and Nopara.
Oldie but goodie.
Then you tell me who's a spook.
PV.
I have some problems with what Saylor said in the past.
His views regarding privacy, for example.
I don't follow him these days, no opinion.
Maybe he's a spook, maybe not... Doesn't matter to me. Because IMO Saylor is big enough to make some waves, but that's about it. #Bitcoin is bigger and DGAF.
Regarding your last point, and the rugpull scenario...
I don't see it. At all. At least not the way you describe it.
On the other hand, I totally see Lightning (and maybe a few other projects, but especially LN) being a great solution for spending, and scaling. TODAY.
I've got no problem with it, except for the fact that too many people use WoS TODAY. (Custodial). I believe this will improve.
And you can rugpull LN wallets all day, Bitcoin still doesn't care, long term.
I could be wrong, that's just a personal opinion.
On privacy projects collaborating with institutional spooks, which was my initial point, I'm quite confident I'm right: this is extremely fucked up. People promoting these schemes can't be taken seriously.
Just my 2 sats. Now people can think and do whatever they like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I thought you were talking about Wasabi 🤣
But hey, Homeland Security, Chain Surveillance... Is that really so different... Former getting all the data from the latter.
Not even talking about the code, even though there's a lot to be said about it too. Including a few good things.
I'm talking about the coordinator sending all your addresses to chain surveillance, and you know it.
Last time I checked there wasn't an easy way to switch to another coordinator. If at all (yeah, change the code and recompile. Great UX)
Anyway I guess it's pointless to discuss it with you, since you have no incentives to debate in good faith. Quite the opposite.
Yes, Saylor could be a spook. Or not. Just saying you're not in a position to say anything about it as long as you promote Wasabi.
Really sad what money (and YouTube) does to people. I used to enjoy your shows.
Anyways...
IDK if Saylor is a spook, doesn't look like it to me 🙄
But maybe you should leave the spooky name-calling to someone who's not aggressively promoting the only coinjoin wallet notoriously working with chain surveillance companies.
But hey, I get it, anything as long as you get more views, right? 😒
You know who look seriously spooky? Your sponsor.
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