Yeah, client operators running a particular type of relay for a particular use case is totally fine. I think something like pay per event might work. Keeping a balance might be tricky though if the user wants to stay anonymous (as is common with encrypted data). Maybe a relay could issue a payment key out of band and have the client AUTH with that?

I don't think clients should run relays. Not doing so forces clients and relays to come up with an incentive model for the service they're offering. If a client runs a relay for their special purpose, the relay is artificially supported by the client service. If the incentive model for other relays to exist doesn't exist, the client becomes a centralized service with a front end and a database for the majority of users.

Of course, you could run your own to experiment with how such a relay should operate, but an accepted model for relays to accommodate encrypted data needs to emerge.

Are relays going to store encrypted data for you though? It would suck to lose all your passwords.

Context: I'm working on multiple features that rely on storing encrypted data on relays.

Adversarial dvms are an interesting idea

Yeah haha I mean my other *other* version. But I'll eventually support both. How can we name these features so they don't conflict? I think of yours more as "encrypted group chat" rather than general purpose groups. Am I wrong?

Great, I'm going to implement my version and they're not going to talk to each other

My recovery drink is raw milk. No idea if this is nutritionally correct but it feels right.

Now that Coracle basically works I finally get to work on the interesting stuff

Left alignment of certain things for a start

No one's ever gotten past step 1 let's be honest

Whoa, this is awesome, great work! I especially like that the default view already has data, and you can click through to nostr.com! The nostr-enabled web is happening!

No, just so other people can hear and profit, that's the point of the podcast. But I see you're PNW too, coffee also works if we end up in the same vicinity!

I think it's from this eminem video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOMhN-hfMtY

I'm actually very interested in this topic, you're right that it's easy to dress up our agenda in Christian terms and become a hypocrite. Would you like to come on the TGFN podcast and talk about it?

Yes, that's true. I would hope a new cobtributor would not start by writing nips though, but would instead start with a project or other contribution

I can't argue with feelings, where am I wrong?

Compared to a libertarian I'm a rabid statist. Compared to a statist I'm a rabid libertarian. It's a matter of perspective and principles.

Thanks for asking btw, it's an important question.

Because the libertarian worldview is not complete. They get lots of things right (incentives, human action), but authority is part of the way the world works. You can either fill that vacuum with legitimate, well-defined authority, or with illegitimate, ill-defined authority. There is no such thing as no authority.

As a maintainer, I regularly review the open PRs looking to close stale ones. But most of them are good ideas that just need a client sponsor or two to go through.