Hey! I'm always glad to see people engage with the issue, regardless if you agree.
We can both agree that all ought be tested against Scripture, but where we might not is if anything outside of Scripture must be believed.
In the Gospel of John (21:25), it is written that not all of what Christ did and said were written down, for it would fill the libraries of the world. This definitely leaves room for things to which Christ intended for us to hold fast but were yet not written down explicitly (2 Thess. 2:15, "...either by word of mouth or by our letter").
Some things remained oral after the Apostolic Age, and this would include things like the nature of Christ (one person in two natures, begotten not made, consubstantial with the Father, etc.), the Trinity explicitly stated (three persons in one being), etc.
Holy Scripture is the highest but not the only authoritative element of Holy Tradition.
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Dunno if you all gave that other thread any time, but wow...
What did Christians believe before the gospels and epistles were written? It's anyone's guess if all our beliefs need to come from the Bible 🤷♂️
> It's literally the word of God.
What does Holy Scripture says is the Word? John 1 says In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God... and the Word became flesh. It doesn't say the Word, which became flesh, has then become written. The written word is not God, which would be a Bibliolotry of which I find much of Protestantism guilty. It is holy, and it is God's word—yes, He is the ultimate Author—but I would be careful to say it is not The Word, especially as it says The Word is something other than itself.
I worship God—the Father, the Son Who is the Word of God, and the Holy Spirit—not the written word of God. I believe in the written word of God, but I know it is not God.
To study the scriptures is good and holy, but it is not what the whole of the Christian faith is about. That would veer into Bibliolotry.
> Vatican I explicitly condemns what you're trying to say. The Church is a witness to something that already existed, nothing more.
The Church is the "pillar and foundation of truth" as the Scriptures say. It is witness and custodian of Holy Tradition. That Holy Tradition is originally oral and over the lives of the Apostles became also written. That written Tradition is Holy Scripture. The Church needed God's inspiration and authority to do this. The Church predates the written and compiled Bible, but not Holy Tradition. The Church is founded by Christ upon the Apostles in His Holy Tradition.
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You're a troll is what I have to conclude, since you evidently don't desire to engage with our arguments.
> You people ... You make all Roman Catholics look bad
Your attacks on character fail. I left Protestantism because of the lack of historical basis, the rejection of Christ's clear teaching on the Real Presence (John 6 and the Last Supper narratives are very clear), and the complete lack of authority.
You claim to not defend Sola Scriptura, but you have given no other basis upon which KJV Onlyism can be founded. How is it not downstream of Sola Scriptura? Where else might the ultimate authority in the Faith lay which would allow a KJV Onlyism?
Jesus gave Peter the Keys to the Kingdom, and the rest of His Twelve the authority to forgive sins. It is upon them and their successors that the Church has authority, and that competes against KJV Onlyism. It does not stand against it in any way.
The only way KJV Onlyism may have a chance is to reject the authority of the Magisterium of Christ's One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. Show how anything else may support it.
Reiterating my singular point so it's not lost in the deletes:
Jesus's didn't write the Bible, His followers did, and all of Jesus's teachings were believed and passed down orally long before they were written. Holy Tradition therefore predates and contains Holy Scripture. Therefore, Sola Scriptura is false, and so is KJV Onlyism as because it is downstream of Sola Scriptura.
It has support but is not explicitly in Holy Scripture. Oneness Pentecostals reject the Trinity because they can't find it in their bibles.
Jesus didn't write the New Testament. His followers did, and *all of* His teachings were believed before they were written.
The Trinity. Next question.
I think that is also a subsequent symptom. Twenty-something newlyweds are less likely to afford the down, so the demand feels to the markets artificially low. This causes a new-build supply correction. No one makes modestly sized housing because the money is in mid-sized single family homes, multi-plexes, or apartments. Maximize the size of home you can fun on a lot, and your lot ROI is better as a housing developer. Too small and you'd be better to double up on a lot and make a duplex or quadplex.
If you want a modest house, you'd be best off with a trailer and a little land in the country. Plus, with remote work being what it is nowadays, that's really a great option.
But how do you *know* that? 🤣
Attacking a means of argumentation is a cheap way of avoiding actually considering the argument.
My point stands that KJVOnlyism is a subset of Sola Scriptura, which is itself untenable, as I have shown.
Modern scriptural scholarship, regardless of specific faith affiliation, is infiltrated by unfaithful scholars. This is why it is important to be familiar with older scholarship when studying.
The Latin never changes, and if I'm not mistaken that full translation predates the Canon. That is the translation of texts that were decided, promulgated, and ratified. Original manuscripts of Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew are not always available, so when they aren't we always have the Latin.
It is also important to point out that "biblical study" is not Christianity. Having better and more faithful translations is good but not the point of the Faith. Study can enhance one's faith, but it ought not be the faith to study (see 1 Cor 13). The point of the Faith is to become Christ-like, or little Christs as "Christian" suggests. We follow His lead, taking up our cross, etc. We follow His commands: love God, love neighbor, baptize all the nations, etc. We receive His offering of His Body and Blood. This is Christianity. This is The Way.
The real issue is that Protestantism relies on a set of books as infallible but doesn't know where it came from.
Christianity predates the Bible. The Bible was compiled for the faithul by the Church. Jesus didn't leave a list and didn't say what to put into the Canon, and so He delegated that task to His Church. Protestants unknowingly put trust in the council fathers who decided and promulgated the Canon, except then rejecting seven entries, more than a full millennium later. After that confusion, the Church then ratified the original Canon.
The scriptures themselves say the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth, not vice versa. KJV onlyism is a subset of Sola Scriptura, which is itself untenable.
Additionally, the original KJV includes the deuterocanon (the books rejected by most protestants today), and was illegal to print without it until much later. As an added bonus, there is a conspicuous omission of references to tyrants in it, almost assuredly at the request of that English king.
It's a symptom of the current banking system. Things for which loans are made (homes, autos, schooling, etc.) are artificially price-hiked.
The interest is lower and payback is slower in a fractional reserve paradigm, but people afford payments not interest rates. This causes the total price to go way up, but the monthly remains what they might afford. Later, after turning homes into business investments and boostingthe prices, the down payment just becomes too much. Even the advent of the 3.5% down causes the total to rise for the same reason.
Fractional reserve isn't possible with hard money, so bitcoin will also fix housing costs.
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This is my highest criticism of the Bitcoin community, alongside a quasi-Palageanism that says that a Bitcoin standard will solve all our problems.