Long story short, the major difference is the Tx0. With Wasabi if you are mixing 10 BTC, I can trivially track that 10 BTC as it is peeled down into smaller utxos. The left over change is part of the mix tx, and thus creates a determinstic link that follows it until completion. You literally leave crumbs along the trail. With Whirlpool you mix 10 BTC and the fee and utxo creation is handled in tx0. After tx0, upon first premix, all certainty is lost, there is no crumbs, there are no deterministic links, there is just the theoretical perfect transaction, for every utxo associated with tx0. So Wasabi, long peeling chain. Whirlpool no peeling chain, after tx0 you cannot with any certainty connect a single input to a single output.
Additionally Wasabi outputs are in the order in which they are registered, allowing you to make educasted guesses that cluster outputs that you can later cross reference when inputs are inevitably merged to make a spend (no postmix tools). BIP69 would fix this issue, BIP69 enforcement within ZeroLink for this very reason (https://github.com/Samourai-Wallet/Whirlpool/blob/whirlpool/THEORY.md#transaction-output-indexing) - In fact, ZeroLink says they should be ordered "randomly" so AFAIK Wasabi isn't even following ZL at this point.
https://code.samourai.io/whirlpool/Whirlpool/-/blob/whirlpool/THEORY.md
Wasabi is a π peel chain.
Only whirlpool follows zerolink protocol so of course whirlpool.
Meiko Kaji, another great artist from Tarantino soundtracks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT9zJ2V9lfw
Way before Tarantino. Itβs called Sukeban.
then why all of you still have twitter accounts. cancel it or this is just bunch of useless words.
Perfect example of FOSS is whirlpool and how sparrow wallet was created because of foss!
This Samourai wallet xpub use FUD is garbage. Same fud applies to every wallet that uses someone elseβs node.
These are the facts:
1. Samourai wallet ONLY sees XPUB if one shares it with SW it is not forced upon you.
2. Wasabiβs address reuse is written to the blockchain for everyone to see FOREVER.
Verifying my Nostr Nests identity: 4Y9BLQtBR_qM9RGI80yzx_ZXLCxSD53e23vjhtMHyYc
This nostr:npub1mznweuxrjm423au6gjtlaxmhmjthvv69ru72t335ugyxtygkv3as8q6mak again tell her one fact since she cannot use nostr for some strange reason about xpub bull shit.
Tell her one fact is that Samourai only sees XPUB if you SHARE it with Samourai. it is not forced upon you.
But Wasabi's address reuse is written to the blockchain for everyone to see, FOREVER.
Asking permission is seeking denial!
Is it FOSS?
You use custodial services so you arenβt sovereign.
So lol π you are going to mix with yourself? Running your own coordinator is useless. You want to be in the biggest pool and not be singled out. The bigger the pool the easier itβs to hide in it. This wasabi gimmick addressed to plebs who doesnβt know shit and is not working. Sparrow wallet for example a different client but uses same whirlpool coordinator to stay in the biggest pool possible and soon decentralized coordinator. So by choosing your own coordinator you are not solving anything you in fact ruined your own anonymity.
End of week report! We didn't get a major release out this week, though a minor one should be coming out in the next 24 hours with bug fixes and UI updates. That doesn't mean we haven't been hard at work though. Here's what we've been up to.
- Tor integration took several strides this week. We're piggybacking off of the great people over at, who maintain a dart interface for a cross-platform Rust library. But we're not just mooching. We're contributing upstream also. Tor should be in Stack Wallet and Duo very soon, which takes us one big step closer to whirlpool.
- Themes. We love themes, and we know you all do too. We get lots of positive comments about them. But the more themes we add, the more images, the more animations, and more, which bloats the size of the app. We've been working on redoing the way themes are done under the hood to allow for a theme storefront of sorts (don't worry, they'll be free). This means the app will be downloaded with just light and dark, but the user can easily navigate to the storefront in the settings and download only the themes they want. We'll also allow a way to install themes by a file on the device so anyone can download them in a way they think is most secure and import them manually.
- Binary building. Currently, we build everything from source every time we do builds, as is the FOSS way, but some of our submodules take forever to build. 45 min build times aren't conducive to rapid development and the build process can be frustrating for volunteer devs. So we're making the process easier by pushing our self made libraries to a repo and adding additional scripts to pull from those so we don't have to build the submodules all the time. It'll make it super easy for volunteers to contribute also. Don't worry, the normal build-everything-from-source way is still there too, and we'll be doing builds that we're pushing live that way still. Mostly a convenience thing for devs.
- PayNyms. There are a couple small things with paynyms we've found since we've launched. Adding SegWit change addresses rather than just legacy, some sends not showing up without having to do a full rescan, etc. Everything works mostly, but there's a few hiccups. We've made good progress in addressing those, and a fix for those problems should be up by next week.
- Animations. We have stellar designers, illustrators, and animators. But we spend so much time on UX, that we have to jump to the next thing rather quickly to keep up. Our focus on ensuring proper information flow and good UX means we've sacrificed on the things that push the app from just an easy and excellent experience, to a beautiful one. We're taking a bit of time to address this now with adding a few animations and cleaning up a few icons. Not a big thing to notice, but one that we hope will further push us ahead.
- Misc bug fixes. Always.
Prelim research on lightning, whirlpool designs, and watch-only wallets.
You can see all of work on on our github: https://github.com/cypherstack/stack_wallet/commits/staging
Most all of the above is either done or close to being done so next week will probably be a big week for us. Phew! Super long post. Sorry. But we've been busy, so hopefully that news makes up for the long read.
See you all next time!
When whirlpool?
