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"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you. You're locked in here with ME!"

Fair enough, I could be. I'll just blame Marty 🤣. Didn't realize it wasn't your write up until after I commented. Generally a fan, and didn't mean to seem so confrontational.

I don't think the risks of soft Forks are discussed enough. Satoshi was conservative for a reason.

What are we arguing here? I overstated by saying you called it a silver bullet. Sorry.

Am I wrong that you were very excited excited about it and definitely wanted to see Taproot implemented? Am I wrong that you thought it was a positive and would increase Bitcoin privacy, especially around multi-sig and opening lightning channels?

Am I wrong that there was a very little to any discussion around the potential risks of Tap Root?

I listened every week to Rabbit Hole during that time and I very vividly remember you being super excited about Taproot and about how much privacy was going to bring. Maybe I overstated by saying Silver Bullet. I haven't seen any benefits from Taproot personally and if I could go back in time I would be against it.

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REPOST FROM SOURCE: https://xcancel.com/jamesob/status/1860340932706730261

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BITCOIN CORE'S LOSS OF FOCUS

The legacy technical leadership in bitcoin is becoming increasingly less effective.

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Almost universally, Core and "graybeard" devs are not focusing on _the_ fundamental problem in bitcoin: preserving trustless UTXO ownership.

Instead they are distracted with valuable but secondary issues like mempool policy, Core code architecture, and minor IBD performance. These things are important in their own right, but they fundamentally don't matter if in times of trouble most users can't take possession of their own coins.

Core devs are exceptionally talented people. The brightest engineers. But the priorities of the project are out of whack.

The aggregate focus does not reflect the thing that makes bitcoin a unique asset: trustless custody.

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Given the current limits of bitcoin, even upper-middle class Americans will not be able to self-custody, let alone the rest of the world.

If bitcoin doesn't figure out how to ensure that most users have a trustless way of owning and sometimes moving coins, it will become basically indistinguishable from a gold ETF. A row in some OFAC-compliant database. Another financial widget that is subject to the regulatory dictates of government.

In fact, if bitcoin does not scale UTXO ownership, gold will have the advantage that at least small amounts of it *can* be self-custodied and traded peer-to-peer. The same won't be able to be said for bitcoin. In a world where on-chain fees are in the thousands of dollars and there is not a workable, trustless layer two, most coins will be stuck with custodians.

Forget payments. I'm talking about savings. I'm talking about less than checking-account volume. 1-2 transactions a month.

If you think that most people should be able to DCA and withdrawal to self-custody once a month, maybe spend once every few years for big purchases, I've got news for you:

Given bitcoin's current limitations, only 18 million users can do that. A little over 5% of Americans.

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Right now, the chain capacity is able to meet demand for self-custody because we are in a time of relative peace.

Most don't feel at risk keeping their bitcoin with a custodian. That can change very rapidly.

As bitcoin grows in value and challenges fiat currency, governments will increasingly want to control it. They won't ban it, which is now obvious, but almost certainly they will impose OFAC-like restrictions and possible wealth taxes.

When the regulatory hammer comes down, tens of millions will look to withdrawal their coins into self-custody. But they may not be able to.

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Unfortunately this risk does not seem to be top of mind in the current Core culture.

One instance of a tone-deaf Core response to this kind of problem relates to CTV. As Jeremy Rubin has been pointing out for years, CTV would be the most efficient way to guarantee that people can withdrawal coins from institutions in times of chain-panic and congestion, allowing exit to happen during crises without fully "unrolling" transactions. I wrote about this at length in 2023, and why it seems there is no more efficient way to do this (https://delvingbitcoin.org/t/thoughts-on-scaling-and-consensus-changes-2023/32#design-for-exit-5).

And yet technical figureheads like nostr:npub185h9z5yxn8uc7retm0n6gkm88358lejzparxms5kmy9epr236k2qcswrdp and nostr:npub1j5mp526z5fkz9wkrk6mt5nzu43xndyrwkr8mnqngdqwytgcpc5vqcnsd5c downplay the value of CTV, claiming that it has no compelling uses.

CTV is one of the primitive building blocks that we need to figure out UTXO scaling solutions. (Not to mention its use in applications like vaults.)

Some Core devs might argue "well okay, maybe we need that functionality - but CTV isn't the right way to do it. We need to think harder!"

The problem is that time is running out. As nation-states begin to enter the technical ecosystem, soft forks that promote scaling and self-custody will be more difficult to deploy. Powerful actors will not want bitcoin to change - they're perfectly happy letting regulated custodians act as the L2.

As the market cap grows, the stakes of change go up, and it will be much harder to get economically relevant actors to run new consensus.

Because Core devs aren't paying close attention to the covenants conversation, they may not realize that CTV is upgradeable, simple, and well-tested. It's good enough.

This gap in understanding partially reveals that those devs prefer to work on more smaller self-contained puzzle problems that are more tractable. Maybe this is understandable given the fraught Core development process and historical drama of soft forks, but neither of those are an excuse for abandoning the core challenge of realizing bitcoin.

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Segwit and Taproot were massive changes, and I can almost understand why so much drama was spent on them. They both basically reinvented how locking scripts are stored and executed in bitcoin.

But to make significant headway on finding a scaling solution for self-custody, it may only take a few opcodes - much more narrowly scoped bits of functionality. Changes that are much easier to test and reason about, and don't reinvent the engine of bitcoin.

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As I continue campaigning for a renewed focus on scaling coin ownership, some may compare me to the "big blockers" of the 2017 scaling wars.

The big-blockers camp wanted to raise the blocksize for the sake of housing the world's P2P payments. They resisted the use of Lightning and other second layer solutions.

The reality is that they have been partially vindicated. Lightning has not solved our problems, and given the on-chain footprint that existing channel constructions require, it categorically cannot. Lightning certainly helps reduce on-chain payment volume once someone has opened a channel - but to do that for most people will require a layer 1 innovation.

I don't share the big blockers' objectives.

I don't think that trying to fit the world's P2P payments on the base chain is a reasonable target.

But the ability to resist near complete capture of UTXO custody by third-party financial institutions - *that* is intertwined with the core purpose of bitcoin.

In Satoshi's whitepaper, the first sentence claims

"A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a financial institution."

If most users become unable to even take possession of their own coins a few times a year, we have failed on the objective.

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I am not writing this out of any sense of antagonism. Yes, I am frustrated that after numerous attempts, Core devs are not engaging more productively with the few people trying to translate scaling strategies to the base layer.

But I'm hoping that by calling attention to this issue, we can get some of these great minds to refocus on bitcoin's critical mission, and to realize that ossification will come sooner than we thought.

The existing (and well-funded) power structures *want* stasis.

The recent show of rapid institutional affinity should make you suspicious that bitcoin in its current form isn't a threat to the fiat order.

The lack of "ivory tower" attendance in the recent OP_NEXT and the broader covenants discourse demonstrates that, like many of America's elite institutions, there has been mission drift in bitcoin's technical elite. I hope this changes.

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The risk of merging many of the opcodes proposed during the last few years is limited.

OP_CAT, OP_CTV, lnhance, probably OP_CCV, some others; they're all fine. If sufficiently tested, great additions to bitcoin.

We can pretty easily mitigate what risk there is with comprehensive testing and analysis, provided the focus is there.

The upside is almost infinite: a reasonable attempt to continue the preservation of bitcoin's unique function - trustless self-custody that is practically available to most.

I remember you selling Taproot like a silver bullet for privacy. instead we got ordinals. How can you with a straight face say there's no risk when you did not predict ordinals and the like. I think there's a good argument against how the data discount Works in segwit. It is crazy to build features, there's clearly no demand for. Virtually anyone that wants to self custody can right now. We'll see what the future holds but why would we put in a solution that most don't want or wouldn't use. Necessity is the mother of ingenuity. Who knows what ideas we will see in the future.

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You can do it today because it's cheap and easy. Let's run the numbers on how that is expected to look in the future.

We're gonna use astronomer math. We're only looking at orders of magnitude.

There are maybe 100 million bitcoin owners. There are soon going to be 10 billion people, increasing at an exponential pace. If we want 10% of people to trustlessly self-custody (this is a very low bar) we need to scale 100x.

An average tx on mempool right now is 37 cents. That's pretty cheap, actually. Imagine if the cheapest transactions ever got was $37.

That's 10% of people in 10 years. Extrapolate to 100% in 50 years (population doubles every 47 years), you need another 100x. That's $3700 for a one input, two output transaction. Used car money. You need to buy a new used car every time you interact on-chain. Wanna do a coinjoin? You're gonna need house money.

This assumes no new use cases for on-chain space. This could not be more wrong.

Quantum computers are coming. Post quantum signature schemes A) will require a soft fork and B) are also very large, so let's divide transaction throughput by 10-100x.

On-chain stablecoin transactions are just getting started. That's a huge market, multiple times larger than the lightning network today.

Ark service providers will be ticking out transactions at a steady clip. These are time-sensitive transactions so they will pay the prevailing fees to get on chain.

BitVM is building an entire computer using logic gates encoded in bitcoin script. Those will be very large scripts.

ZKPs are extremely promising and extremely large. We can't keep people from storing them on chain. Bitcoin is permissionless.

Don't forget about ordinals! Did you think they were just gonna go away? Lol, you silly goose. There will still be degens using up your precious blockspace.

Bitcoin simply does not scale well enough to serve the whole world. We need better tools on the base layer or else we are just LARPing about freedom technology.

Lol, nice ddos attack. You sound like a shit coin grifter.

Really? I've tried it a few times and found it missing pretty basic features. Have they added chapter skip?

Replying to Avatar Peter McCormack

The studio is ready, Danny's flights are booked, and next week we’ll begin recording episodes for our new podcast.

I wanted to share the reasons behind this shift as many have been asking. Three primary factors influenced this decision:

1. I hate making remote shows—I never want to do them again. These interviews need the intimacy of being in person.

2. Traveling constantly has been detrimental to my health and my family.

3. My commitments here with the football club and local community are growing.

So, the solution was clear: build a studio in the UK and produce the show locally.

We’ve secured a fantastic space in Soho, London, and we’re ready to go but given the limited number of Bitcoin guests available in the UK or those willing to fly in, it’s time to retire What Bitcoin Did.

Our new podcast will be similar in feel but will cover a broader range of topics. While some episodes will focus on Bitcoin (though less frequently), most will explore other interesting topics or people.

Having made nearly 900 episodes covering a wide range of #bitcoin topics and guests, we’re now aiming higher. By diversifying our content and guests, we hope to introduce more people to the concept of sound money through podcast osmosis. If we get this right, it will be a bigger show, if we get it wrong, well we tried.

For a long time I have felt there is a need to get out of the #bitcoin corner of the party. Real Bedford FC was a way of integrating sound money into a traditional business model. CheatCode purposely did not include Bitcoin in the title, so changing the show feels like a natural next step.

Sometimes when stuck in the #bitcoin landscape you can lose site of how other people in the world think, lose empathy for the complexities of the world. I have felt this. I'd come home from spending two weeks with Bitcoiners and be with friends and family locally and notice a distinct difference in how we see the world. As everything feels like it is going to shit, I feel like there is a bigger job to do now.

The Bitcoin podcast landscape is well served, from Marty and Odell to Natalie and Preston, from The Blue Collar guys to Stefan Livera and anyone I haven't mentioned. There’s no shortage of high-quality Bitcoin podcasts.

However, there seems to be some fatigue in the space, with similar guests and topics being revisited. With our new show we want to bring fresh perspectives and ideas, aligning with sound money where relevant—think of the shows we’ve had with the likes of Eric Weinstein and Michael Malice.

On a personal note, I’m need the challenge, test myself wider, get fit and find a good woman. I can't do this travelling all the time.

When I started the podcast my life was a shit show - divorced, coming off drugs, heading towards bankruptcy. I've had an incredible 7 years, travelled the world, made amazing friends and got to live my dream by buying my local football club.

To everyone who has helped us get this far - the guests, the listeners, the sponsors, we could not have done this without you. I am forever in your debt.

I hope you’ll check out the new show and enjoy it, though it may not be for some of you. Regardless, Danny and I will work hard to deliver the best show possible, like we always have.

Roll on The McCormack Show!

Chapters in the new podcast?

I'm never understood the progressive bitcoiners for this reason. Seems to me their entire ideology is based on theft for the greater good 🤷

Anyone have a good nix-bitcoin guide? #asknostr