ah the old infinite loop-erooo
you can send me the payments and i’ll take care of it 😁
yeah, I can see things like that, getting a percentage of zaps sent to posts, referral links, when products are shared, etc
and the last 20+ years of social network data has shown that while enthusiast/heavy users of social networks are willing to pay for the service, the vast majority of casual users have zero interest in doing so, and are willing to put up with ads as the compromise.
So if we want nostr to expand beyond enthusiast users into a global social network the size of twitter, hoping casual users will miraculously be open to paying isn’t gonna cut it.
Btw, if you’re going to so quickly resort to lack of social awareness with “nope bad answer” and “stupid idea”, then feel free to ignore my posts and keep the autistic outbursts out the replies.
haha nope, enthusiasts like us are more likely to go the paid route of course
shooting down ideas as “bad answer” while adding no answers of your own isn’t a conversation, it’s classic online snark. leave that shit on reddit lol
What are your thoughts on how nostr could sustain a user base the size of twitters?
It would probably have to be some sort of new event kind that allows relays to sprinkle ads within regular notes. Would still be easy for clients to just not allow those event kinds if they choose.
I’d love to be wrong about this!
Yeah these are all assumptions/predictions on my end based on my observations of casual users on social networks.
These are my observations of how casual users behave btw, this isn’t my personal view of social networks.
- Clients could definitely work around the ads if it’s easy to distinguish regular notes from ads
- They’ve gotten used to social networks being free and ad supported, they see newspapers and magazines as media, so they’re more willing to pay for what they perceive as professionally made content. Harder to convince someone to pay for a social network since the content is just random people posting, in their eyes.
I don’t like it either, but it’s the reality of it as far as I can tell
That’s how it is currently because of the smaller scale. Paid subscription relays will be able to scale without ads, but if we want nostr to be used at a scale like Twitter, the majority of casual users have absolutely zero interest in paying a subscription for social media, and so ads will be needed to sustain most unpaid relays.
Over time, I think 2 things will (or should) happen if we want nostr to be scalable to user bases as large as Twitters and beyond.
1. Most relays will become either paid or ad-supported. For the latter, I know this is a big topic, but there are ways to do ad-supported without it turning into the garbage you see on social networks today. There will of course still be a smaller number of free volunteer relays, but those will probably be the minority.
2. As I love to rant about, a combination of NIP-65/Gossip on the content discovery side, and automatic selecting of relays to post to based on uptime + server load of known relays, in order to evenly distribute the load.
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Anyone else working on a nostr equivalent of Reddit?
True, in terms of number of EVs built they're up there too, but I meant my comment more in the context of an American car buyer in the 90s vs now, and Chinese EVs aren't in the American market.
Imagine telling someone in the late 90s that in the early 2020s, **American** automakers will be the leaders in electric cars, European automakers will be following a bit behind them, and Japanese automakers will be waaaaay behind
