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Users can mint ecash sats, ecash USD, ecash stamps, and more. Users would exchange Lightning Network sats for ecash sats, ecash USD, ecash stamps, etc.

Users can mint 10 ecash stamps at the mint with 1 LN sat. These ecash stamps are specialized, and the mint does not allow exchanging back from ecash stamps to LN sats.

For users, using ecash stamps rather than a subscription model can offer better privacy.

The mint only commits to users being able to use these ecash stamps to pay for services at any time, such as relay services.

The risk for users is that the relay service might stop before they use up their ecash stamps.

Users can mint 1000 ecash sats at the mint with 1000 LN sats. They can enjoy more private payments with these 1000 ecash sats, and the transaction fees are very low.

The mint earns a fee from these transactions. The mint commits to exchanging ecash sats back to LN sats on a 1:1 basis when users wish to convert their ecash sats balance back to LN sats.

The risk for users is that the mint may not have enough LN sats to fulfill the redemption, or may refuse to redeem.

Users can mint 7 ecash USD at the mint with 10000 LN sats. They can enjoy more private payments with these 7 ecash USD, and the transaction fees are very low; price stability might also be an advantage for some.

The mint earns a fee from these transactions. The mint commits to exchanging the ecash USD balance back to LN sats at the current market rate when users wish to convert.

The risk for users is that the mint may not have enough LN sats to fulfill the redemption, or may refuse to redeem. nostr:note1xuv2l9e40vm2p05lk6prsn45tfmy4v4kgj6lxwewdxuysdr4wcrsrnva37

Thanks for exploring these ideas outloud, I'm loving it. If I minted unbacked eUSD and then swapped them to a trusted mint, the vendor risks getting fake or debased eUSD right? Or inter-mint transfers only deal in true LN SATs to avoid this? Yes I think so. So a vendor would have to set a list of trusted eUSD mints that he's willing to accept parent from, right? There's no way to verify that 50 e$, received via email or however, is backed by real SATs right?

agreed, though the nice thing about ecash is that it doesn't care how the nuts get from a to b. via nostr, tor, traditional centralized cloud, p2p, its all good! mutiny wallet is nostr social first, which is so badass and smart.

are there any clients doing ecash zaps exclusively?

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Wtf. This is whole thing summed up, man. Epic GN.

Will never forget at Newbury Comics, back in 99, an employee describing Aphex Twin to me as the Jimi Hendrix of electronic music. So cool to see how he programmed his sounds. I never understood it before. Very cool video!

A "conversation" with a bitcoiner 😁

#ecash #cashu

LN and liquidity management should disappear behind the scenes, IMO.

⛓️On chain for savings πŸ’°

πŸ’Œ ecash for spending πŸ’²

(not lightning payments sent by mints). I'm talking nuts for value!

okay, that's interesting. is a mint making a lightning payment any different than another custodial lightning wallet service?

to me, I have been thinking that one of the greatest advantages to ecash is that it solves the "no path" failures typical of lightning.

ecash sent between Alice and Bob, both members of the same mint, doesn't even touch ln network right?

wouldn't the vendor need to be setup with an ecash wallet as well?

i realize that mints can send out LN payments, but then that would not be buying with ecash, that would just be a standard lightning payment, right?

Any businesses out there starting to accept #ecash #cashu ?

#ecash #bitcoin

Used cashu.me PWA ecash wallet to read BBQR animated ecash token from npub.cash 😎

Worked great!!