yeah, actually. It's trivial for a gov funded group to have a lot of ASIC's join the miners and easily turn the entire network into their bitch.

hence why ASIC resistant mining is a thing. hence why you should use Monero :)

I want to believe that #bitcoin will encourage society to move towards using durable goods and sustainability instead of infinite growth.

Lets steel man this idea.

Counterarguments:

- While the theory sounds romantic, what has been built in practice by bitcoiners are things like Mt Gox and FTX. Trading platforms that just serve financial markets, which is the very core of this infinite growth mentality

- After 10+ years, it's still generally not accepted as payment

- The energy required can't be ignored, especially in light of the above. I understand the benefits of replacing load banks, heating, and green energy, but there are more efficent ways to generate heat, and mankind's energy would be a higger percentage of renewables if bitcoin weren't using so much electricity. Even if using miners as load banks is 100% justified, that doesn't justify all the other mining operations.

- The theory that it's decentralized is wonderful, but on real life, mining is fairly centralized,

Help convince me (one way or the other) using evidence. Better yet, help convince a zero-coiner who is thinking these same things.

I want the arguments that really hit hard, not potential solutions. Not the usual suspects like "BitAxe wants to disrupt centralized mining". Yeah, that's great, and I support them, but until they prove they can do it, lets just acknowledge that this is a problem yet to be solved.

The same goes for the "Lightning is going to solve the efficency problem". It hasn't yet. #bitcoin is seriously easy to use. Lightning is not. Honestly, I feel that downloading a wallet is easier than signing up for a custodial lightning account, and if we're talking about self-custody, let's come back to that in another 4 years.

I'm sure some maxis are going to jump in and call me a fiat shill or whatever, and that's fine, I can ignore anyone who doesn't wasnt to have a constructive conversation. It's the actual discourse that I am interested in.

Give me your evidence that #bitcoin is just the ticket to eliminating the growth at all costs mindset.

it is lol, ASIC's dominate the mining field

I don't know if you know but what does that chart represent?

#4 Bitcoin mining is indeed centralized. Too much for sure, and other aspects of the network should also be more decentralized. But that is not its job: that is your job. This natural money is just a method of securing transactions economically and globally. How those transactions are carried is a different story, maybe yours.

We just need ways to transfer those bytes accross the houses, streets and the globe, a pretty simple task isn't it? Satoshi Nakamoto set already the right path by "the network is robust by its unstructured simplicity" and "messages only need to be delivered on best effort basis".

It is up to us to implement the best strategies for this.

It seems that #Bitcoin was kidnapped

#Bitcoin mining on the moon could have some advantages

The older I get, the more I hate "government". Not just our government, or their government. ANY government. Really anything that compels me to do something I don't want to do.

DoN't PuT aLl YoUr EgGs In OnE bAsKeT

There are no eggs other than #Bitcoin. All of the other 'eggs' are just empty shells trying to look like eggs.

% of Earths population that speaks English:

🇨🇳 China - 0.9%

🇧🇷 Brazil - 5%

🇷🇺 Russia - 5%

🇮🇳 India - 10.5%

🇧🇩 Bangladesh - 12%

🇲🇽 Mexico - 12.9%

🇹🇷 Turkey - 17%

🇪🇸 Spain - 22%

🇿🇦 South Africa - 31%

🇮🇹 Italy - 34%

🇬🇷 Greece - 51%

🇩🇪 Germany - 56%

🇫🇷 France - 57.25%

🇵🇰 Pakistan - 49~58%

🇵🇭 Philippines - 58.2%

🇳🇬 Nigeria - 53~60.64%

🇧🇪 Belgium - 60%

🇦🇹 Austria - 73%

🇫🇮 Finland - 75%

🇨🇦 Canada - 83.06%

🇩🇰 Denmark - 86%

🇸🇪 Sweden - 89%

🇳🇴 Norway - 90%

🇦🇺 Australia - 92.8%

🇺🇸 USA - 95.5%

🇸🇬 Singapore - 96.43%

🇳🇿 New Zealand - 97.82%

🇬🇧 UK - 98.3%

🇮🇪 Ireland - 98.37%

🇧🇧 Barbados - 100%

This is my first post on Nostr!

A Bitcoiner trying to fully immerse himself into the current ecosystem and future. #introductions #bitcoin

Yeah I hate sleeping on the ceiling too

Communication Checklist:

- Know what you talking about

- Focus on clarity not on using fancy words

- Talk less, deliver main message

- Wait and listen, now respond

- If getting serious add some humor

- If not taken seriously, Ask to pay attention

- Add some silence so they can think

This is what I learned so far.

#pleb #nostr

Anyone here tried to sleep on the floor?