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Seems pretty disingenuous to say that the state doesn't define your marriage then. I am specifically getting married in Colorado because you don't apply or request a marriage license, you notify them after the fact. Also you can self solemnize your marriage, even though we have someone marrying us, they're not ordained because, I'm not requesting permission from anyone to marry, state or organized religion.

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Seeing all these replies from people that appear to be morally off put by prenups...

A marriage as it occurs in our time is not a contract between two people, not a contract with God. It is a contract between two people and the state. If a prenup is something that is abhorrent in some way, then why is a marriage license not also abhorrent? If it's about love and trust, then why not just be "married" in your hearts, in the eyes of God, however you see it, and forego the contract entirely? I'll answer: because it is, always, about the contract.

I'm "married" like that, pair bonded, the commitment is between us, the love is as iron clad as with anyone that is legally married. But there's no contract between us and the state. It is about trust for us, we trust each other so much that we don't need that legal agreement.

Why would we? Tax benefits for one. Inheritance, structuring or property ownership, that stuff. We will enter into agreement with the state insofar as our pairing when it makes financial sense for us to do so. It will change nothing between us emotionally or as a matter of trust in one another, all of that is already eestablished between us. And when doing that, we will probably draw up that contract on our own terms rather than those of the state, what you'd call a prenup, to both our liking.

On your question, you need the advice of a lawyer, not advice from random people here, and you need to discuss between you and your wife what is fair to both of you beforehand.

Your response was refreshing. I do have a lawyer, we both do, was just curious if I could farm any additional insight from others with experience as I know Noone with one

Thanks. Yeah my salary alone is way more than the average and median household income and I work from home. So luckily I do farm chores morning noon and night and still can cover all of our expenses and invest.

Definitely think the stay at home wife/mom is underrated hardwork

That's not my understanding of how marriage licenses work. You didn't go into the office and get one before you got married?

A prenup doesn't make divorce more of an option. No one starts a marriage thinking they'll divorce. But both of us come from divorced parents so we're not naive that it COULD happen to anyone.

If the incentives of a prenup are setup to make it easier to leave then you have a fucked up prenup. In our context, I have multiple businesses that revolve around my home because it's farming, I also will inheret property from my family. In the prenup I really just want the house and the businesses to remain mine because otherwise I would have to start a new farm from scratch which in my mind means I would simply leave farming. All of the other assets built up during the marriage still become common property, but the things I had before aren't.

Round number example, cash stored in the mattress) .

If I had 100k before the marriage, then 10 years into the marriage I have 1 million. I basically would leave with 5.1 million. This is fair.

Coming from a divorced family, I understand and want this yes. But I am not niave about statistics. With no fault divorce existing and the existence of shitty laws you never know how society can influence a person, even we'll meaning. For example, who's to say I don't end up in jail for a lifetime like Ross ulbrict for a victimless crime? I don't think she would divorce me for that, but I myself would say after I'd been in jail for certain number of years and exhausted appeals that I would tell her to divorce me. Same if I was paralyzed. I will never myself ask for a divorce but shit is complicated dude and no one goes into a marriage wanting a divorce yet 50% of marriages fail.

Trying to think of ways to orange pill the rest of the hill Billie's around me since everything is a gift economy....

If on top of barter I add $10 in bitcoin (ecash cuz minibits is easy for the tech illiterate) then eventually people will have small amounts of bitcoin built up... Then when they want to buy meats from me I will have them pay in bitcoin only? Basically still a gift economy but essentially I'm tithing to the network lol

Good answer! We love canning but I have a neighbor with a freeze drier we'll have to try.

In Missouri, my understanding as long as both people have lawyers it's enforceable. Plus my work pays for my lawyer.

The prenup exists regardless, just you chose to use the one the state creates for you. The existence of the prenup has Jack shit to do with an escape hatch. But I have a very positive networth, a house and a business that I built before the marriage. Coming from a divorced family, and the statistics of divorce say getting a prenup is smart, it in no way insinuates I want the marriage to end, in fact the opposite. It means if it were to end, things should go back to the way they were before the marriage.

Everyone has a prenup, just the default one is the shitty state version