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Replying to Avatar mister_monster

There is a possibility that humans die by accident, from disease, we don't say that that means we can't objectively call them human or that because of this fact it is OK to kill them. Same with one developing in the womb. Nobody holds anyone responsible for an accident happening to somebody unless it's the result of negligence. I don't see any inconsistency here whatsoever.

By "uninterrupted" I mean deliberately interrupted.

> It doesn't live inside of another organism

This is irrelevant. Living inside another person is part of our natural life cycle. It's part of the nature of the human being, just as a butterfly spends time in a cocoon.

All the other details that you say make a baby human are the same as my examples earlier, it talks, it walks, they aren't the reason we call it a human. A baby on a feeding tube is still a human. If you use these as the criteria then of course it's going to be murky to you. Find the fundamental differentiator, not a list of most-of-the-time criteria with tons of corner cases and caveats and you'll see my point.

> If you don't think a baby's humanity is different than that of an unborn one and you think that that belief is objective, then how is a sperm or an egg not an unborn baby even before they meet?

I've told you already, the criteria that is most objective is, at what point in development does it occur that, if the process is not *deliberately* interrupted, more than likely it will result in a baby. That's the point you can call it a person. This precludes sperm, eggs, even fertilized embryos, most of which go unnoticed.

None of what your saying is objective fact. Again, I don't think abortion is wrong, but defining it at the moment of fertilization is not objective because personhood is not a scientific fact, it's subjective philosophy.

And your point about uninterrupted process, is basically just a short hand for viability. Which has changing goalposts every decade.

You dismissed my point about living inside of another organism because of circular logic btw

I never made the claim that a human has to say it's a human. All my claim is is that it's not objective to pinpoint a specific time when it's a person or not, it's your subjective opinion. At every day of the pregnancy, there is a probability that the zygote, embryo or whatever will not be born. And most of the time, the reasoning for this is not abortion, miscarriage happens often. And your dismissive point adding "uninterrupted" is illogical because it implies that interruptions in a process are Unnatural. People can do everything right and then have a miscarriage, people can do everything wrong and have a perfectly normal baby. But by your logic, if someone has a miscarriage, then they are responsible for the death of a human because it's a human baby from the moment of conception, which is your subjective belief.

You can say a baby is objectively human. It doesn't live inside of another organism, it eats and drinks through its mouth, it's consciousness consciousness can be measured and tracked, etc. If you don't think a baby's humanity is different than that of an unborn one and you think that that belief is objective, then how is a sperm or an egg not an unborn baby even before they meet?

You didn't make any coherent point so I don't even know what your perspective is? You think baby's should be thought of as middle aged people

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Dems are the ones who do mail in voting tho?

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Got muted cuz he didn't understand what I was even saying, so that's cool. It's not a troll.