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What sort of fees does Unchained Capital charge to setup and maintain a Bitcoin IRA? Anyone have one?

What does that mean for Bitcoin price as BRICS nations sell of dollars ?

Replying to Neopatriarch

# The Empire Strikes Back

Concerning the Star Wars analogy:

>I gave the illustration, to try to show how one might harmonize both realities. Surely you can see that.

I do, and I would use that example as a means to steelman my understanding of your position. Unfortunately, there isn't a biblical example. That would be a greater evidence.

The closest example from the Bible like this is the murder of Uriah. David doesn't actually murder him but he does issue a secret decree.

>**2 Samuel 11:15** *In the letter he wrote, “Set Uriah in the forefront of the hardest fighting, and then draw back from him, that he may be struck down, and die.”*

And despite the fact that neither David, nor his agents struck the deathblow David is still guilty of Uriah's murder. Secondary causes did not eliminate David's guilt.

>"**2 Samuel 12:9** *Why have you despised the word of the LORD, to do what is evil in his sight?* ***You have struck down Uriah*** *the Hittite with the sword and have taken his wife to be your wife and have killed him* ***with the sword of the Ammonites.***

>The evidence is the scripture passage. I believe man is morally accountable, but that in another sense man, like in Romans 9, can be described as a pot prepared for destruction.

I'm sure you do believe that, but my question was about a text in the Book of Joshua, and what he believed.

Did Joshua believe that these Hebrew Israelites had the freedom to choose when he said, "... choose this day whom you will serve..." or was he just acting out the part written for him in eternity?

>It's almost as if the freedom of the Creator is on an infinitely greater level than the freedom of the creation, however, real that freedom is.

"It's almost as if..." doesn't seem like the result of solid Hermeneutics, but rather a wobbly conjecture from leaning on one's own understanding regarding a rhetorical question asked 100s of years later in an entirely different context.

>I don't know you.

And I don't know you, and it's still nice to dialog with someone sincere.

>I know open theism is bad juju.

Who told you that? Why do you think so?

>I do pray that you are as committed to Scripture as you say, and you'll land in a good place.

Very nice. You are in my prayers as well.

Amen

The analogy you gave is terrible, because David is on the same plane of existence as Uriah and the men he used to kill them. The question is, was that whole sad situation part of God's glorious plan for the Messiah to be born through Bathsheba's line.

"As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people should be kept alive, as they are today" (Genesis 50:20).

"You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit" (John 15:16).

You keep arguing with me that people have real choice, and I'm agreeing with you. My problem is that you are using your logic to limit God's power. I would be fine with that if there weren't hundreds of texts that emphasize God's decision over the events of history.

Open Theism is bad for the same reason that Hyper Calvinism is bad. God's sovereignty and human choice and responsibility are both taught in Scriptur. There are several systems which attempt to deal with both of those truths, some better than others. Unfortunately, both Open Theism and Hyper Calvinism deal with only one truth, using human logic to ignore the other.

You have not yet even heard my argument against you as far as I can tell. I'm not trying to argue that you are wrong to believe humans make real choices. I'm saying you're making a mistake by not holding on to both truths. It's much preferable, in a difficult situations to say, "I don't know how both these can be true, but I want to believe what's clearly in the Scripture." Open theism says, "There is no way that both of these can be true (according to my impressive human logic) therefore, I'm going to find a way to explain away texts about God's sovereignty."

I gave the illustration, to try to show how one might harmonize both realities. Surely you can see that.

The evidence is the scripture passage. I believe man is morally accountable, but that in another sense man, like in Romans 9, can be described as a pot prepared for destruction.

It's almost as if the freedom of the Creator is on an infinitely greater level than the freedom of the creation, however, real that freedom is.

I don't know you. I know open theism is bad juju. I do pray that you are as committed to Scripture as you say, and you'll land in a good place.

Are you trying to make a logical argument according to your human wisdom, or are you trying to make sense of every verse of the Bible? (Romans 9:21, for instance.)

Who decided freely to blow up Babylon? Was it Darth Vader? Or was it George Lucas? Or did they both make a choice on two completely different planes of existence? You might say that we're much greater than a fictional character. I would say God is to an even greater extent greater than George Lucas.

I think I understand. Is the issue that shitcoiners are trying to get rich quick, and the maxis are looking to turn the world upside down?

I got into Bitcoin out of fear of inflation and FOMO. Over the last couple of years I have grown to see it as a weapon against possibly the most corrupt and certainly the most powerful monetary system the world has ever known.

What do you do if your bank rejects payments to Bitcoin purchases? I've heard this is happening in Great Britain.

I believe in the separation of money and state, because every hour of labor that is transferred into Bitcoin is an hour of labor that cannot be extracted through money printing to fight endless wars.

#stacksats, #seperationofmoneyandstate #Bitcoin

My favorite Bitcoin sticker.

Why wouldn't I? Who endures more insults without immediately repaying?

No. You have to hold all the statements Scripture makes about God without making one the enemy of the other. If you cannot systematize the Scripture without doing so, you must just hold onto the truths patiently until clarity is gained. Open Theism does great abuse to many texts of Scripture.

““Remember this and stand firm,

recall it to mind, you transgressors,

remember the former things of old;

for I am God, and there is no other;

I am God, and there is none like me,

declaring the end from the beginning

and from ancient times things not yet done,

saying, ‘My counsel shall stand,

and I will accomplish all my purpose,’

calling a bird of prey from the east,

the man of my counsel from a far country.

I have spoken, and I will bring it to pass;

I have purposed, and I will do it.”

https://ref.ly/Is46.8-11 via the Logos Bible Android app.

They are stupid for being the last and but the first to lower it.

I aware people are blinded in thinking that the world can never change. The truth is the world can never stay the same. The dollar is being drawn down to hell by gravity.