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Graphene doesn't do push notifications consistently across apps, so I forget how notifications can be beyond phone and text πŸ˜‚

You'll have my vote when they start looking asking around for recs 😊

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Replying to Avatar Derek Ross

Thank you.

I think this is a good model. I like WoT and think it's extremely useful. I also think nostr:npub108pv4cg5ag52nq082kd5leu9ffrn2gdg6g4xdwatn73y36uzplmq9uyev6's Ditto client that allows you to have feeds from Nostr address domains is a great way to build and participate in a community.

Its the unison and communication of both sides of moderation that i want to emphasize. The simplest way to do that is through exclusive relays (nostrplebs) where the paid aspect of it is already one barrier, but bad actors are then informed on by users to the relay operators to kick them off. When that fails and the relay operator/community mods won't remove the people you don't want to interact with there's WOT, another computational method to filter your feed. When WOT fails, there's manually muting.

Three different scales of filtering that help eachother. Relay mod/level filtering removes 90% of bad actors to your community, this helps reduce the WOT calculation which is computationally expensive. Lastly, muting as a last resort, but by that time the pool of possible people to mute is drastically reduced. Any social media will not last if you need to manually mute hundreds of accounts.

The UX isn't there because right now we assume nostr itself is one single community -> you join the centralized relays and only follow the users you care about. But this means you'll share the same streets with people opposed to you.

This is not a problem of "diversity in opinions" or "being pro censorship" or however you frame it. I'll talk to anyone willing to engage in conversation, but don't come to me shouting and wishing death upon me. I don't care about the name calling, but you're clearly not in a frame of mind to communicate.

Upholding intolerence of intolerence and removing bad faith communication/activity from your community will always be important.

The problem is we don't have tools fine grained enough for the users, relay operators or community leaders to cururate a community and isolate from the external environment.

When nostr has communities of users conpletely opposed to each other in ideals flourishing and unaware of eachother, thats when we've hit a critical mass. Fragmented and decentralized enough such that it is strengthened and can continue to exist even when its users are the pole's apart in ideals.

Now that's a statement i can't relate more to πŸ˜…

I first encountered LDA from a previous project -> "find k topics in n documents" sounds great until you realize you need to be pretty confident in how many topics there are. Then, not wanting to be sure if i can impose that assumption, i go to heirarchical LDA, but in both cases i just didn't know how to interpret the clusters.

embedding models, being primarily trained on natural language (bert, gpt) just need to associate coocurring words together. You get some high dimensional vector and the idea is if concepts are similar, they'll be close to each other in this vector space. So you can cluster spatially without needing to assume how many there are πŸ™‚

Its more of an "i was there" or "i belong". A great signaling mechanism ✊

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Git repositories over nostr

Websites over nostr (https://nostrplebs.com/directory) -> and now ephimeral websites because they can be deleted

Torrents over nostr

Nostr registries (https://wikifreedia.xyz/nip-event-register/dd664d5e4016433a8c) -> P2P DNS

Decentralized File storage over nostr and blossem.

Data Vending Machines

If we keep developing, nostr will be completely recognizable in the future.

We will have browsers for nostr, akin to our current web browsers - but running on code run from git committed notes. Nostr clients will be created on the fly from the notes themselves authored by users we trust on relays we trust, paying for services built by individuals we trust. This trust is built individually, not mandated by anyone else. Of course there will be overlaps and centralized trustworthy individuals, but the list of who we (dis)trust is built ourselves, not mandated by anyone else.

Git repositories over nostr

Websites over nostr (https://nostrplebs.com/directory) -> and now ephimeral websites because they can be deleted

Torrents over nostr

Nostr registries (https://wikifreedia.xyz/nip-event-register/dd664d5e4016433a8c) -> P2P DNS

Decentralized File storage over nostr and blossem.

Data Vending Machines

If we keep developing, nostr will be completely recognizable in the future.

We will have browsers for nostr, akin to our current web browsers - but running on code run from git committed notes. Nostr clients will be created on the fly from the notes themselves authored by users we trust on relays we trust, paying for services built by individuals we trust. This trust is built individually, not mandated by anyone else. Of course there will be overlaps and centralized trustworthy individuals, but the list of who we (dis)trust is built ourselves, not mandated by anyone else.

I bring this up to you Derek because when I first started roaming around nostr I kept seeing this weird thing - '@nostrplebs.com'. What is it? I go to the website and I see this https://nostrplebs.com/directory - a directory of users. This seems like a community of users on nostr that at belong to something, and they also seem knowledgable enough to have a nostr address - I'd like to be part of this. And that's how I got my nostr address. Wouldn't it be cool to see the interests of the community of "nostrplebs"? What are their technical interests, maybe they can also help other "plebs" out to learn bitcoin and nostr and contribute to a nostr-native knowledge base built from members of nostrplebs. I really can't overstate how much I think community tools are needed. I think It will be a real take off point for the protocol.

Its a UX thing. Nost will be completely unrecognizable in the future if I'm recognizing thing correctly 🧐

I'm not trying to frame it in a "if you don't like it leave". Its more about making you find your home easier. Then when you find your home, not worry about it being invaded my bad actors

I'm 100% for creating tools for community segregation. What does this mean? You have a set list of relays and you share this space with anyone that has an overlap in relay lists.

To start, if you think of every relay as your community, and the relay operators as your sanitation dept you communicate with them to keep your community clean tell them to clear out known bad actors and mute the ones they don't take off. From there, everyone will find communities aligned with their values and stay away from the others. Maybe a community doesn't have to revolve around a relay, even better!

The whole point being, nostr:npub1wmr34t36fy03m8hvgl96zl3znndyzyaqhwmwdtshwmtkg03fetaqhjg240 can moderate the community in the way they want to cultivate, and you can belong to the relays/communities you care about and not need to worry about encountering each other or dealing with moderation practices you don't care about.