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Spam is not a threat to #Bitcoin
Replying to Avatar jleger2023

FREEDOM OR CONTROL - YOUR SUPPORT SHOWS YOUR CHOICE

I saw a long thread discussing another spam attack on Nostr last night. That's not going to stop for free relays. Spammers will always use free services with large audiences to spam. Stopping them is a game of whack-a-mole that even the big Social Media companies have failed to win despite their deep pockets and teams of engineers.

The solution is value-for-value: pay for what you use and find valuable. If Nostr benefits you in some way, be willing to pay for the tools you use that provide it to you (relays, clients, etc). If you can't pay but you can build or support it in some other way, that's great, too.

I had a person (jokingly I assume) say they were sad I didn't ⚡ them. The first thing that jumped into my mind when I read the note was "What benefit are you providing?" I had never seen any other post from them before.

If you want to live in a free world, you need to ask that question often, both of yourself and of others: what benefit are you providing? Because any time you're getting something "free", it's not free. Somebody is paying for it. If that person isn't you, then someone else is setting the agenda for what you consume. Is that what you want?

For many, the idea of freedom is like the idea of owning a boat. They daydream about how great it would be to have a boat, take it out on the water, fish, swim and enjoy it all. But they never buy a boat. Why? Because boats cost money and take work to maintain. All that pleasure has a price. Either you're willing to pay it, or you're not.

Freedom is no different. I hear a lot of talk about freedom today, and that's good. Freedom of speech is a big one. But what are you doing to support those that are building the tools that give you that freedom? Are you content to daydream about that freedom and how nice it would be while never taking any action, or are you willing to put some skin in the game to turn that dream into a reality both for yourself and others you care about?

We've been conditioned to get things for "free", but it's a lie and a trick that's resulted in us selling ourselves and our choices to the highest bidder. For me, Nostr is the path to freedom, but Nostr is not free. It costs money to run the relays, servers and services, and it costs time (which results in lost earning power) to code clients that provide the experience you want and create great content on an ad-free platform.

So if you believe in freedom, and I know you do (that's why you're here) then support the builders that are providing value to you. Show that freedom is not just a daydream. Governments and nefarious actors have long taken advantage of the masses just daydreaming about freedom. Let's wake the world up from that dream and make it a reality. This is our shot. Let's not miss the target.

My deepest thanks to all of those that are supporting the builders already. You are true heroes. 🙏

I will have to stick my neck out and disagree.

Paid relays aren't the solution. We need to keep working on this.

We need proof of work relays. We need an option to pay with sats to post (like on your phone, to avoid battery drain).

'Paid' relays don't fix spam, it just creates a little garden with high fences, for you and a few friends.

'Paid' relays should be optional. They should provide optional features like skipping the sats to post or work, or priority on bandwidth, NIPS05, backups, etc.

If we paywall this shit, it'll never defeat the mainstream systems of control, leaving millions behind. We must do better than pretty gardens with high fences. We want everyone to be free.

Reacting is needed, just to communicate that someone isn't just talking to themselves on a private relay or being stealth censored. Zaps are the real communication of how much you like it

Someone make an AI tell us what the babies would look like.

The funny part is that the dream of the capitalist produces the good for everyone, while the dream for the socialist produces ruin and starvation for everyone.

I suppose so. It's definitely been suggested that revocation is important, but it's not in there yet.

The NIPS for this doesn't currently have revocability. Messages are too ephemeral and there's no mechanism for knowing that all nodes have seen the revoke message.

The best we have is if the relay has seen the message, the message itself sets an expiration. So if you delegate signing to another key for 3 days, 30 days, whatever, any relay that has seen this delegation will accept messages signed by the key until the time-out. If it hasn't seen the delegation message, though, it will reject them.

#1 Zap stats on posts; Zaps sent/received on profile. Zaps in notifications

#2 'Whats Zappening' - Friends+ view of most zapped, most sats feed - instead of 'Following' for the Home icon, following moves down one.

#3 Channels support (NIPS 28) basically its a public room version of the Messages UI

#4 Rename Global - It's really not global. It's friends+

#5 maybe a real global - only if we can configure which relays to see from.

#6 Read/Write option for each relay

You're the owner of that product, at least. We're not going to be free of the economics of it. People need to buy eyes to sell services and products. At least now, you get that spending, instead of a big agency middleman who herd like cattle all the people onto their platform.

There is no platform. Each relay is a service provider, able to have whatever terms of that service as required by local law or their own ideals.

We need some kind of payment sharing between host of videos and the creators themselves.

All of #Bitcoin leaving Twitter for #Nostr may not be as great a thing as we think.

Keep fighting, on all fronts.

If the normies never hear from us again, we doom them to tyranny and debt.

This is good for #Nostr