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Sure. insofar as they both want "freedom". One side that means leave them alone. the other side it means "freedom" from gun violence by gun control. "Freedom" from misinformation by censoring.

But yeah, they both say they value "freedom".

Replying to Avatar Scott Wolfe

Here’s my observation with respect to the U.S. Elections. Most people opining on why Americans shouldn’t vote for the other party/candidate are full of shit, painting caricatures of people who vote for the other party/candidate. This goes both ways, from both the “Trump/Vance” camp and the “Harris/Walz“ camp, both Democrat and Republican.

The majority of people are re-enforcing inherited narratives about the “other”, fuelled by the toxic incentives that guide electoral politics as sport. I’m more and more won over to the idea that this is by design.

If we actually invested time to speak with each other, to focus on values and hopes for society, we would find that 80% of people can generally agree on 80% of things. However, our current civic climate pushes us to engage at the fringes, beginning from the disposition of the 20% focused first and foremost on the 20% of things on which they disagree. We are sucked into this abyss of false conflict.

Regardless of the outcome today, perhaps make a point of talking to more people with who you are led to believe you “disagree”. If you skew Democrat, have a conversation with some people who skew Republican. And, vice versa. Ask people what they think a better, fair society means to them; what it would look like. Try to get at what they think the core values are that should infuse society. Make the effort to extend a generosity of spirit.

The only way things get better is if we make them get better, one person, one conversation at a time.

#ElectionDay #USelection #press

The "rub" is the core values are diametrically opposed

Replying to Avatar HoloKat

The concept of value of value is one where information yearns to flow freely, transactions should be voluntary, unlimited and direct. In V4V model, people pay what something is worth to them.

Sounds great. On paper. There are some issues…

## Free sucks

At least, that’s the perception. People don’t assign much value to free. Ask anyone who has ever ran any business and has not suggested a value for a product or service and they’ll tell you that they earned far less than when charging for the thing.

It’s true, some people will give a lot, some a little, and most none. Most - none. None.

## Pricing is Signal

Pricing is a signal of desirability and quality. Of course, it is often incorrect and people manipulate pricing all the time. But for the most part, people don’t see much value in free. Unless a recommended price is offered, people will usually pay nothing. This is not a great model to thrive on if you spend years of your life acquiring knowledge and turning it into products that nobody ultimately buys.

I have very personal experience with free. I’ve created and sold digital products and ran many pricing experiments myself. The highest priced products usually generated the most revenue. Surprise! The middle cost product (same product, just priced less) decimated the revenue stream. When set to 0 (even with a suggested minimum price), I generated almost no revenue at all.

None of this is surprising. Pricing acts as a psychological anchor. “You get what you pay for” is ingrained in our brains whether we think about it or not.

## People are clueless

The issue with price is that most people don’t have a clue what anything is worth. The only time people have any rough idea of what they should pay for something is when they have already purchased that thing in the past. But, introduce something they have never before purchased and they won’t have a single clue about what to pay. Take for example a set of professional photos of you and your family. Unless you’ve been to a photo studio in the last 5 years, you probably won’t have a single clue what that package of photos is worth. Does that mean the product is worthless? Of course not, but people don’t know what to pay.

In a value for value model, the absence of price makes it super difficult to determine the value of anything. You may take some social cues from previous payments from other people, but this could backfire for the content creator.

Suppose I created a UI framework that saved developers hundreds of hours. In theory, I should be able to charge at least a few hours’ worth of value for this product. If the developer’s time is valued at $100/hour, a $200 price for a product that saves you $2000 worth of time seems very justifiable. Not only do you get to use it once, but you can re-use the product for ALL future projects and employment.

Now, remove the price and see what people pay. Absolutely nothing. You may have a few people who pay $200 voluntarily, but it’s highly unlikely The vast majority will pay nothing, and some may “tip” in the 5-$60 range. Anything that approaches a $100 mark is seen as a purchase. Hey, I don’t make the rules, I just see what other founders have figured out long ago and combine with my own observations. Don’t kill the messenger.

## Free is Expensive

If I am accurate in my assessment and recall my personal experiences accurately, then the majority of people who consume your value will do so for free. When that content is a product, you may end up spending a lot of time on supporting the thing that is not generating any revenue. You don’t want to be rude and ignore people so you’ll probably spend your valuable time answering questions and helping them troubleshoot issues. All of that time adds up. Startup founders who offer free tiers or near free tiers of services learn very quickly that free customers are the most painful and demanding. You are basically forced to charge just to avoid dealing with demanding people who expect everything for nothing.

## Free is Noise

Price is not just a request for value, but it acts as a feedback signal for future content. If you have no idea what people are paying for, it’s difficult to know if what you create is worth anything. A situation where the vast majority of your content is consumed for free yield a lot of noise.

Well, why not focus on the people who pay? You certainly could, but it ends up being a tiny fraction of the sample size you could have had if you actually charged something up front.

## Lack of forecasting

Businesses rely on predictible revenue. Forecasting is necessary for all sorts of decisions if you work with anyone but yourself. It helps with purchasing decision (expenses) and with planning of future products. Value for value makes it impossible to know what your revenue will be next month as you just have no idea if everyone pays nothing or a lot.

## V4V could make you uncompetitive

In a model where one person charges a fixed price and the other is relying on the good will of the people to "see the value" in their work, the person with predictible revenue will most likely win out in a competitive environment - enabling them to get ahead of you and your business. They will have an easier time planning further content / products and hiring people to scale the business even further.

## It’s not all hopeless

That’s not to say that I don’t like the idea of value for value. Of course I only want people to pay if they find the thing useful. The issue is that people may not know the thing is useful until they’ve already acquired it. At that point who is going back to pay for the thing they already got for free? Few to none.

Value for value may work. For some.

I’m not saying value for value doesn’t work sometimes, for some people. It is entirely possible that a person earns a living on v4v transactions. However, I think for that to be true there may be other factors at play such as social standing, personal brand, influence, likability, status within a community. The vast majority of creators do not fall into this category and will just struggle.

I’m cautiously optimistic about V4V and hope it works out at scale. But as it stands, I have not seen much evidence that it actually pays the bills. Yes, there has been some support for podcasts on Fountain, but it is unclear whether it is just as or more significant than traditional transaction model.

## “Information is not scarce” is irrelevant

There’s some notion that information yearns to be free and cannot be scarce by nature. I think this may be a false argument from the start. When we purchase digital things, we are not paying for scarcity - it’s totally irrelevant. We pay for the experience and the feeling we get from that thing. In fact, the same is probably true for physical products (with the added benefit of personal sustenance). I don’t go into the grocery store to buy a dinner and fork over the money because it’s scarce. I pay because I’m hungry. There’s utility and there’s pleasure and fulfillment. If I’m having a dinner with friends, there’s also fun. Unless I am totally misunderstanding the argument, I’m not sure how it applies.

## In Summary

* Value 4 value may work at scale, but remains to be seen

* It could be great fun money but not serious enough to pay the bills (for most of us)

* Sounds good on paper but we humans have our own ways of thinking about value and what it's worth

* May work well for people who build a personal brand or have status in a community

As always I look forward to your thoughts. Let me know if I’m overlooking something or should consider some point of view in more depth.

It's difficult because people are conditioned to advertisers doing the valuing for them. They consume the content for "free" and advertisers pay the creator for said viewership in return for the right to run ads alongside their content. V4V is already mainstream, it is just paid by advertisers to creators, not consumer to creators.

Replying to mia meow

**Prerequisites:**

- Read "The Most Dangerous Superstition" by Larken Rose (or at least watch [excerpts on youtube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y460qLK0-ZA),

for the start).

- Nice to have, if possible: Watch the "Candles in the Dark" series by Larken Rose. This guide is a

summary of that method, but created independently of Larken Rose.

**Outline:**

The goal is NOT to make strangers (or friends) buy Bitcoin on the spot, or to fully understand the

new worldview. The goal is to lead them into cognitive dissonance about their own contradicting

beliefs.

Once you make them aware of their own root beliefs that are in conflict, they HAVE to keep

thinking about it, UNTIL (over time) they erase all the fiat lies that they got fed. No human can stay

comfortable and inactive, knowing that their own beliefs don't match up - it's torture and it forces

self reflection.

But that is only possible, if you navigate around all their distraction attempts and really get to the

core. Once the core fiat belief has fallen, the whole house of cards will self destruct, and they will

do most of that work on their own.

The core is always the same. The core is even deeper than Bitcoin. The core is their unconscious

believe in the legitimacy of slavery. And it stands in direct opposition to their own deepest

morality.

It is an internal fight that gets incredibly uncomfortable once you make it conscious to them. It's

not a fight between you and them. It's a fight between their moral conscience and their

brainwashing. You are their therapist. You are their friend, cheering for their true self that wants

to END SLAVERY.

**Mindset/ Frame:**

- Your own psyche is 80% of the practice, success is proportional to your own maturity.

- You are here to help them, and they have to feel that. But also don’t be condescending.

- You have to keep them (and therefore yourself) out of fight/defense mode.

- Regularly process your emotional triggers, especially around frustration about being

misunderstood etc.

- Relax your passion for the truth for a moment. Subconsciously, the high amount of energy and

impatience behind passion gets interpreted as attack.

- This method is for one-on-one situations. A crowd watching their self reflection process creates

too much pressure for them and subconsciously puts them into defense mode.

- Don't jump on their contradictions once it is obvious ("ha! see!? I told you so!"). It will be cringe

enough for themselfes, even if they don't show it.

- Stay neutral and curious while asking questions.

- Serial killer interview metaphor: You can't change the mind of a serial killer anyway, but you can

curiously learn about the phenomena of his mind, if you ask in the right way. In that process, if the

subject turns out to value moral, they will change their mind on their own, because you helped

them to see their own contradiction.

- If someone is actually holding strongly to immoral positions, just talk to someone else. There are

enough mislead people with good intentions that need your help.

- It can seem impossible, as people can be insanely stupid, I agree. But almost nobody is so stupid

they don't understand the simple core: DON'T STEAL. It is possible, my own orange pilling got way

more sustainable. My approach was wrong, not the others.

- It is ok, if they don't come to detailed conlusions yet, it is a blindspot, a void that they never!

have consciously looked at before. So don’t use jargon, keep your words as simple as possible.

- It is ok if you have failing attempts, there are endless precoiners to practice on, a great

opportunity to grow above your own shyness. Be humble enough to keep practicing until you

reach results. Only good things can come from this practice. What else is more important to

master? We won’t accelerate the Bitcoin Standard with shyness.

- If you are a Bitcoiner new to moral and natural law philosophy, get into that rabbit hole as soon

as you can, because: Freedom and moral are directly proportional. The more moral humanity

behaves, the freer it gets. This is the only way, and Bitcoin is part of it – „don’t steal“ manifested in

code.

**Obstacles:**

- The main obstacles are the countless attempts to distract from directly answering your core-

questions (listed in chapter: Core Questions). Most core questions just need a clear Yes or No.

- "Who will make the rules?", "What about the energy consumption?", "What about 'money

laundering'?", and the classic: "Who will build the roads?"

- These are all irrelevant and they will willingly find the answers on their own, once they realize the

_illegitimacy of slavery money_.

- These are all just subconscious distraction attemps, because they want to avoid the immense

pain of having to rebuild their whole worldview.

- Don't answer any of these questions, just say: "I can tell you my personal predictions later, but is

it ok if we go back to the train of thought for now?" You will have to repeat variations of this over

and over!

**Method:**

- Use any topic related to government/ society to transition towards one of the question blocks

below (the choice is yours, what ever questions you like the most, one block can already be

enough).

- Here is a transition you can randomly throw into almost any conversation: „This might be an

unusual change of topic, but: The past few days I have studied a few philosophical questions. I am

curious what you think.“ Or just: „I am curious what you think. Can I ask you a (philosophical/ an

unusual) question?“

- Start with the first question of the block and then spontaneously make the order and specifics fit

to the path of how they answer. This gets easier with time. At some point it will click, and the

principles of how to lead back from any distraction become obvious.

- Try to start with questions, where they are in the seat of the victim, then move over to you

and/or others being in the seat of the victim. Most question blocks are prestructured like that.

- Anytime they say yes to something moral: Affirm their opinion! "Yes I see it like that aswell. I also

want for you to [summarize latest morally correct point]." This is essential to the method.

- Never say your own opinion or predictions, don’t even talk about Bitcoin! You are just openly

inquiring and strenghtening the Bitcoiner/ Voluntarist that is already inside of them.

- If you find yourself in a debate, you can try the following transition/ calming: „It feels like we are

fighting, eventhough we probably want the same things. Do we want to calm down for a moment

and find our common ground first? Maybe we need to have look at our fundamental

understandings of morality first...“(OK)

**Finishline:**

- You will know when you reached the tipping point, it feels different from the usual frustrating

orangepill attempts. Moments of silence and thinking..."uuhh ahh ohh mhh I don't know". Even if

it is just for a second, you will notice that a true self-reflection process has been activated. After

that tipping point, they will find Bitcoin on their own, once they are ready. - Dimensions faster,

then if we hadn’t proactively triggered the core reflection.

- For some, despite all your love, the cognitive dissonance expresses itself in a rage-quit. Then be

honest to yourself, if it was triggered by you („failed“ attempt) or by their own contradiction

(success).

- In the end, you can give them a link or pdf of a resource list to speed up their process: "I know

this can be an overwhelming topic, if you want, I can send you a list with some cool philosophy

books and helpful youtube videos."

- The resources should include books that focus on the core fiat belief, like "The Most Dangerous

Superstition", and some Bitcoin education resources in between.

---

# Core Questions:

**1. Morality vs Law**

Should you disobey a law that conflicts with your own moral conscience?

Can you think of any scenario, where what a law says goes exactly against what you think is right,

and in that case, should you disobey the law? (past, present, imaginary)

[Note: They can see the evil in other regimes, but not in their own, because they are trained to

feel loyal to their own regime, but not to the other. You can bring up examples from other times

or places to open them for questioning in general (underground railroad, uygurs, nazi germany),

before more directly questioning their own slavemasters.]

Even if you wouldn't actually disobey, because of fear of punishments etc: When would you still be

morally justified to disobey?

At the end of the day, who decides wether you should obey a law?

So you believe it's up to you, which laws to obey? (yes!!)

[Example objection (advanced): „If someone thinks it is right to murder, they should better follow

the law instead.“ - Good Point, let me clarify that: I asked about you specifically, because I assume

you actually have a moral conscience. Or would you say someone can think it is right to murder

and have a moral conscience at the same time? - „No, not really.“ - Ok, so should someone with a

moral conscience act against it, when a law says so? (...resume with next questions)

[Side Note: Asking these questions about people without moral conscience would not make sense,

because they don’t care about laws anyway.]]

**2. Delegation of Immorality**

If it's bad for you to do a certain thing, is it ok for you to try to get someone else to do it for you?

If it's bad for you to beat up your neighbor and steal their stuff, is it good if you hire someone else

to beat your neighbour and take their stuff and give it to you (or others)?

When you vote for a government/ party/ candidate, are you hoping they are going to do things

that you don't have the right to do on your own? (like taxing your neighbours to fund free

healthcare)

„Well, that is different!“ - Ok, how is it different? Where is the line exactly?

What is the distinction that makes one bad and the other ok?

Can people, by voting, give to politicians the right to do things, that none of the voters have

themselfes?

**3. Moral Equality**

Do you believe that right and wrong apply the same to everybody?

Not, does everybody agree on what concrete action was right or wrong, but the principles of right

and wrong, do they apply equally to everybody?

Ok, what if some of us vote? Does right and wrong still apply to those who got voted? How about

a guy with a badge and a uniform?

Does he have the right to do anything that you don't have the right to do your self? Does moral

apply differently to that person than how it applies to you?

"We need them to have extra power." - What is the line? Do they have the right to murder you?

Since you say they have some extended version of the morality that applies to us: What are the

boundaries? Exactly how much extra rights do they have?

Are the boundaries determined by the legislators? What if the legislators say to kill all the

redheads..would that be ok?

Ok, if it's not what the legislators say, what is it?

[Note: Make them think about their own conscience, their line in the sand, that it even exists and

where it is exactly. Their line does not have to align exactly with yours, the point is the illegitimacy

of authority: Moral is above the law, and the only metric that every human has to act after in their

own responsibility. No order follower can give up the responsibility of their actions to their order

makers. And if you only „act on“ orders when you rate them as moral, the order makers don’t

have authority in the first place.]

**4. Transforming Immorality**

We agree that it is bad to beat up my neighbor and take their stuff.. is there any trick I can do to

make it ok?

Like write something on a piece of paper..or whatever? What if we call it something else? We

want your stuff, but we call it a commitee or congress, and we hire a representative who imposes

a legislative requirement on you, let's call it a tax... does that make it moral?

"You consent to taxes by being in the country." Does that mean that by being in the country, they

can do anything they want to me/ you? Beat me up, steal my stuff ...or is there some limit? How

much are they allowed to abuse me, because I am standing in the country?

What if I don't pay taxes. What should happen to me? Would come to my house, beat me up and

put me in a cage, because I don't pay for yours or others wishes?

**5. Morality in Time and Space**

If something is good today, but it gets outlawed. Is it bad to do the same thing tomorrow? Do you

think something moral gets immoral because of a change in legislation?

If this is a state line, and I am allowed to have this plant right here, but I am not allowed to have

this plant on here (step to side), does that mean that morality is different right here from what it is

right there? Did the state government achieve to change morality?

[Remember to affirm, e.g: I want you to be able to live by your own conscience and ignore every

law on the planet. I want you to be able to use your own judgment and free will, and ignore

anybody claiming the right to force you to go against what you believe is right.]

**6. Morality of the Majority**

Does a majority have the right to do whatever it wants to a minority, as long as it uses voting and

the political process?

How about gang rape? They let her vote, but she lost. Is that ok? (NO!!)

In what case does that change? How about, if they just vote to steal her purse instead? How

about, if they just steal a little bit of money out of her purse?

How about if we voted do make slavery legal again? Where do you draw the line?

[Example of an advanced distraction attempt:

'No, but that's what the constitution is for.' - Okay, but strictly related to my question, would you say

that majority processes are legitimate?

'Yes, the majority is legitimate when it is in combination with the constitution.' - Okay, so does the

constitution take precedence over the majority? If the constitution takes precedence over the

majority, how legitimate is the majority process exactly? If it were a little legitimate, then a little

bit of gang rape would also be okay, right?

(This is irrefutable, but can also trigger blackouts; from here, it's best to lead into Question Block 1

to keep the thread and then use that to also debunk the constitution.)

'No' - Okay, would it be moral duty to obey if something immoral is commanded in the

constitution? (From here, continue with Question Block 1)

(Comment: It’s fun to defuse advanced distractions; note which reactions/responses you couldn't

adress and then write a script like this at home for when the question comes up again and for your

own understanding.)]

**7. Morality of Slavery**

Do you believe it's ok for government to force you to fund things, that you are opposed to, that

you think are actually bad?

If you could have a choice, and you could see the government budget line by line, and you could

say "ok, this and this is cool", but that war thing or what ever you don't like... if you could have the

choice to say "I don't want to pay for that" and cross it out, and you don't get taxed for that.

Would you want that?

[Affirm: Yes, I would want you to have that too, even if you don't want to fund anything that I

want.]

Would you be ok, with me having that right too, where I can look at the government spending and

cross out what I think is bad to fund from my own money?

Are you going to allow them the freedom, to not pay for the things you want, or would you like

that freedom for you, but not for them? Do you want them forced to fund what you think is

important?

[Even if someone with moral potential spontaneously says yes here, they will secretly feel

ashamed afterward; it just sounds cruel when stated so obviously and prompts self-reflection.]

[Another advanced objection: "It is ok to rob rich people." - Ok, what makes that moral? - "Because

they all stole from the rest." - How do you know it's all of them, and how much they stole? How much

wealth exactly counts as rich? Aren't those assumptions? Would it be moral if you steal from someone,

because you _assume_ they have stolen something? (Or would you have to do case-by-case trials to

determine who is the rightful owner of what? Would you want someone steal from you, based on

assumptions?)]

**Bonus Question Blocks:**

**A) (almost) all Questions in one Block,** from Larken Rose „Government on Trial“

Is there any means by which any number of individuals can delegate to someone else, the moral

right to do something which none of these individuals have the moral right to themselfes?

Do those who wield political power, have the moral rights to do things that other people don’t

have the right to do? If so, from whom and how did they acquire such a right?

Is there any process, such as constitutions, voting or legislations, by which human beings can

transform an immoral action into a moral action, without changing the action itself?

When lawmakers and lawenforcers use coersion and force in the name of government, do they

bear the same responsibility that anyone else would for doing the same thing on their own?

When there is a conflict between an individuals own moral conscience and the commands of a

political authority, is the individual morally obligated to do what he personally sees as wrong in

order to obey the law?

**B) 3 question quicky for short conversations**

Can someone give another person a right that they don’t have themselves?

Does the government do things that regular people don’t have the right to do?

If someone can’t give a right they don’t have, how does the government get the right to do things

that regular people can’t do?

**Attachment 1: How do you become confident in knowing what is moral?**

At first, it was difficult for me to indirectly assume (through this method), that I had the wisdom of

the ages. It seemed very arrogant to claim that I knew what absolute morality is. However, if you

think about it, anyone can easily derive it with logic:

What does it actually mean when an action is moral? Moral = right. Immoral = wrong. But right or

wrong in relation to what? - In relation to whether it contributes to the well-being of the most

beings possible, especially humans/ humanity.

By well-being, I mean health, wealth, joy of life, quality of life, minimization of suffering, etc.

Now you can simply examine all possible principles that lead closest to this ideal. The highest

principle I have encountered so far is the NAP: the Non-Attacking Principle.

Attacking violence leads to suffering, devaluation, separation, unproductive conflict, etc. The

absence of attacking violence rewards cooperation, communication, healthy competition, and thus

creates value, which means well-being for the most beings possible.

So you can establish the formula:

Degree of collective moral action = Degree of collective freedom. (collective as in cumulative

within the human species)

Where does freedom suddenly come from? Even the fewest Bitcoiners consciously reflect on what

they actually want to be free FROM when they talk about freedom. This lack of clarity leads to

misunderstandings with unaware people: "Free from rules? Free from boundaries? Free from

trees and houses and birds?? Freedom bad!!"

When you look closely enough, every person will agree that they simply want freedom from

attacking violence. That’s it.

And in what sentence can ALL forms of attacking violence be summarized and rejected? "You shall

not steal." This sentence is the ultimate morality. Period.

(Whether a specific action was an instance of attacking violence or not, is a matter of

interpretation on a case-by-case basis, but the principle of morality itself remains forever

untouched. Solutions for bias minimized interpretation are a different topic.)

So, for those who, after such a conscious derivation, still claim that morality is relative, that there

is no right and no wrong, I have no problem saying that I know the truth and they do not.

Knowledge is power, and no slave should possess knowledge. That is why we are led to believe

that there is no right and wrong, that there is nothing to know.

The path to freeing your mind from slavery inevitably leads through giving yourself (via derivation)

the permission... to know.

**Attachment: How do I best learn the method?**

Learning styles can vary for everyone; I will simply describe my own process.

The most important thing is to understand the content. Look at each question and explain out

loud or in writing what insight the question leads to. And how does it lead to the end of slavery,

aka the Bitcoin Standard, when a critical mass has this insight? What contradictory belief does the

question highlight? Also, examine the order of the questions and understand: How does one

insight/conscious consideration lead to the next?

Chunking: Choose the block of questions that you like best and memorize only that block at first.

You can also adjust the questions so that the formulations resonate better with you. Actors often

learn their lines by repeating a sentence until they no longer need to look at it. Then they repeat

the next one and then both together etc. Expect 10-30 repetitions per sentence.

Additionally, you can summarize each question in a bullet point or a single memory word and use

that as a guide while reviewing.

You can also just start by memorizing the titles of the question blocks.

If you can't practice in real life right now or prefer to do dry runs first, think of tricky counter-

questions or distractions and consider how to meaningfully steer back to the core questions/the

core insight (Authority is an illusion).

You simply have to spend time with the question chapter over and over again, and think about it

from all possible angles.

If you don't have time to sit down separately and are more of an audio learner, you can record the

block you are currently learning as a memo (not on WhatsApp/Telegram of course) and listen to it

while cooking, driving, etc.

For example: (Question 1, pause to repeat) x3, (Question 2, pause) x3, etc.

Or afterwards with the pattern: (Memory word 1, pause to repeat the question) x3, etc.

At a certain point, however, you should also go out into the real world and practice. It is often

easier with strangers than with family. I would leave the professional environment.

You can also start an Orange Pill Mastery group with other trusted plebs from your meetups to

share experiences and help each other with tricky objections/distractions. I got myself some

recording equipment to record my conversations and share them in my local group.

I know this is a lot of work, but I prefer to fight this way in information warfare rather than being

in a physical warzone or gulag. And in contrast, this process helps develop your character in a way

that is useful for life.

_Thank you, dear reader, for your actions.

Thank you, dear Larken, for your brilliant thinking._

nice post

Replying to mia meow

**Prerequisites:**

- Read "The Most Dangerous Superstition" by Larken Rose (or at least watch [excerpts on youtube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y460qLK0-ZA),

for the start).

- Nice to have, if possible: Watch the "Candles in the Dark" series by Larken Rose. This guide is a

summary of that method, but created independently of Larken Rose.

**Outline:**

The goal is NOT to make strangers (or friends) buy Bitcoin on the spot, or to fully understand the

new worldview. The goal is to lead them into cognitive dissonance about their own contradicting

beliefs.

Once you make them aware of their own root beliefs that are in conflict, they HAVE to keep

thinking about it, UNTIL (over time) they erase all the fiat lies that they got fed. No human can stay

comfortable and inactive, knowing that their own beliefs don't match up - it's torture and it forces

self reflection.

But that is only possible, if you navigate around all their distraction attempts and really get to the

core. Once the core fiat belief has fallen, the whole house of cards will self destruct, and they will

do most of that work on their own.

The core is always the same. The core is even deeper than Bitcoin. The core is their unconscious

believe in the legitimacy of slavery. And it stands in direct opposition to their own deepest

morality.

It is an internal fight that gets incredibly uncomfortable once you make it conscious to them. It's

not a fight between you and them. It's a fight between their moral conscience and their

brainwashing. You are their therapist. You are their friend, cheering for their true self that wants

to END SLAVERY.

**Mindset/ Frame:**

- Your own psyche is 80% of the practice, success is proportional to your own maturity.

- You are here to help them, and they have to feel that. But also don’t be condescending.

- You have to keep them (and therefore yourself) out of fight/defense mode.

- Regularly process your emotional triggers, especially around frustration about being

misunderstood etc.

- Relax your passion for the truth for a moment. Subconsciously, the high amount of energy and

impatience behind passion gets interpreted as attack.

- This method is for one-on-one situations. A crowd watching their self reflection process creates

too much pressure for them and subconsciously puts them into defense mode.

- Don't jump on their contradictions once it is obvious ("ha! see!? I told you so!"). It will be cringe

enough for themselfes, even if they don't show it.

- Stay neutral and curious while asking questions.

- Serial killer interview metaphor: You can't change the mind of a serial killer anyway, but you can

curiously learn about the phenomena of his mind, if you ask in the right way. In that process, if the

subject turns out to value moral, they will change their mind on their own, because you helped

them to see their own contradiction.

- If someone is actually holding strongly to immoral positions, just talk to someone else. There are

enough mislead people with good intentions that need your help.

- It can seem impossible, as people can be insanely stupid, I agree. But almost nobody is so stupid

they don't understand the simple core: DON'T STEAL. It is possible, my own orange pilling got way

more sustainable. My approach was wrong, not the others.

- It is ok, if they don't come to detailed conlusions yet, it is a blindspot, a void that they never!

have consciously looked at before. So don’t use jargon, keep your words as simple as possible.

- It is ok if you have failing attempts, there are endless precoiners to practice on, a great

opportunity to grow above your own shyness. Be humble enough to keep practicing until you

reach results. Only good things can come from this practice. What else is more important to

master? We won’t accelerate the Bitcoin Standard with shyness.

- If you are a Bitcoiner new to moral and natural law philosophy, get into that rabbit hole as soon

as you can, because: Freedom and moral are directly proportional. The more moral humanity

behaves, the freer it gets. This is the only way, and Bitcoin is part of it – „don’t steal“ manifested in

code.

**Obstacles:**

- The main obstacles are the countless attempts to distract from directly answering your core-

questions (listed in chapter: Core Questions). Most core questions just need a clear Yes or No.

- "Who will make the rules?", "What about the energy consumption?", "What about 'money

laundering'?", and the classic: "Who will build the roads?"

- These are all irrelevant and they will willingly find the answers on their own, once they realize the

_illegitimacy of slavery money_.

- These are all just subconscious distraction attemps, because they want to avoid the immense

pain of having to rebuild their whole worldview.

- Don't answer any of these questions, just say: "I can tell you my personal predictions later, but is

it ok if we go back to the train of thought for now?" You will have to repeat variations of this over

and over!

**Method:**

- Use any topic related to government/ society to transition towards one of the question blocks

below (the choice is yours, what ever questions you like the most, one block can already be

enough).

- Here is a transition you can randomly throw into almost any conversation: „This might be an

unusual change of topic, but: The past few days I have studied a few philosophical questions. I am

curious what you think.“ Or just: „I am curious what you think. Can I ask you a (philosophical/ an

unusual) question?“

- Start with the first question of the block and then spontaneously make the order and specifics fit

to the path of how they answer. This gets easier with time. At some point it will click, and the

principles of how to lead back from any distraction become obvious.

- Try to start with questions, where they are in the seat of the victim, then move over to you

and/or others being in the seat of the victim. Most question blocks are prestructured like that.

- Anytime they say yes to something moral: Affirm their opinion! "Yes I see it like that aswell. I also

want for you to [summarize latest morally correct point]." This is essential to the method.

- Never say your own opinion or predictions, don’t even talk about Bitcoin! You are just openly

inquiring and strenghtening the Bitcoiner/ Voluntarist that is already inside of them.

- If you find yourself in a debate, you can try the following transition/ calming: „It feels like we are

fighting, eventhough we probably want the same things. Do we want to calm down for a moment

and find our common ground first? Maybe we need to have look at our fundamental

understandings of morality first...“(OK)

**Finishline:**

- You will know when you reached the tipping point, it feels different from the usual frustrating

orangepill attempts. Moments of silence and thinking..."uuhh ahh ohh mhh I don't know". Even if

it is just for a second, you will notice that a true self-reflection process has been activated. After

that tipping point, they will find Bitcoin on their own, once they are ready. - Dimensions faster,

then if we hadn’t proactively triggered the core reflection.

- For some, despite all your love, the cognitive dissonance expresses itself in a rage-quit. Then be

honest to yourself, if it was triggered by you („failed“ attempt) or by their own contradiction

(success).

- In the end, you can give them a link or pdf of a resource list to speed up their process: "I know

this can be an overwhelming topic, if you want, I can send you a list with some cool philosophy

books and helpful youtube videos."

- The resources should include books that focus on the core fiat belief, like "The Most Dangerous

Superstition", and some Bitcoin education resources in between.

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# Core Questions:

**1. Morality vs Law**

Should you disobey a law that conflicts with your own moral conscience?

Can you think of any scenario, where what a law says goes exactly against what you think is right,

and in that case, should you disobey the law? (past, present, imaginary)

[Note: They can see the evil in other regimes, but not in their own, because they are trained to

feel loyal to their own regime, but not to the other. You can bring up examples from other times

or places to open them for questioning in general (underground railroad, uygurs, nazi germany),

before more directly questioning their own slavemasters.]

Even if you wouldn't actually disobey, because of fear of punishments etc: When would you still be

morally justified to disobey?

At the end of the day, who decides wether you should obey a law?

So you believe it's up to you, which laws to obey? (yes!!)

[Example objection (advanced): „If someone thinks it is right to murder, they should better follow

the law instead.“ - Good Point, let me clarify that: I asked about you specifically, because I assume

you actually have a moral conscience. Or would you say someone can think it is right to murder

and have a moral conscience at the same time? - „No, not really.“ - Ok, so should someone with a

moral conscience act against it, when a law says so? (...resume with next questions)

[Side Note: Asking these questions about people without moral conscience would not make sense,

because they don’t care about laws anyway.]]

**2. Delegation of Immorality**

If it's bad for you to do a certain thing, is it ok for you to try to get someone else to do it for you?

If it's bad for you to beat up your neighbor and steal their stuff, is it good if you hire someone else

to beat your neighbour and take their stuff and give it to you (or others)?

When you vote for a government/ party/ candidate, are you hoping they are going to do things

that you don't have the right to do on your own? (like taxing your neighbours to fund free

healthcare)

„Well, that is different!“ - Ok, how is it different? Where is the line exactly?

What is the distinction that makes one bad and the other ok?

Can people, by voting, give to politicians the right to do things, that none of the voters have

themselfes?

**3. Moral Equality**

Do you believe that right and wrong apply the same to everybody?

Not, does everybody agree on what concrete action was right or wrong, but the principles of right

and wrong, do they apply equally to everybody?

Ok, what if some of us vote? Does right and wrong still apply to those who got voted? How about

a guy with a badge and a uniform?

Does he have the right to do anything that you don't have the right to do your self? Does moral

apply differently to that person than how it applies to you?

"We need them to have extra power." - What is the line? Do they have the right to murder you?

Since you say they have some extended version of the morality that applies to us: What are the

boundaries? Exactly how much extra rights do they have?

Are the boundaries determined by the legislators? What if the legislators say to kill all the

redheads..would that be ok?

Ok, if it's not what the legislators say, what is it?

[Note: Make them think about their own conscience, their line in the sand, that it even exists and

where it is exactly. Their line does not have to align exactly with yours, the point is the illegitimacy

of authority: Moral is above the law, and the only metric that every human has to act after in their

own responsibility. No order follower can give up the responsibility of their actions to their order

makers. And if you only „act on“ orders when you rate them as moral, the order makers don’t

have authority in the first place.]

**4. Transforming Immorality**

We agree that it is bad to beat up my neighbor and take their stuff.. is there any trick I can do to

make it ok?

Like write something on a piece of paper..or whatever? What if we call it something else? We

want your stuff, but we call it a commitee or congress, and we hire a representative who imposes

a legislative requirement on you, let's call it a tax... does that make it moral?

"You consent to taxes by being in the country." Does that mean that by being in the country, they

can do anything they want to me/ you? Beat me up, steal my stuff ...or is there some limit? How

much are they allowed to abuse me, because I am standing in the country?

What if I don't pay taxes. What should happen to me? Would come to my house, beat me up and

put me in a cage, because I don't pay for yours or others wishes?

**5. Morality in Time and Space**

If something is good today, but it gets outlawed. Is it bad to do the same thing tomorrow? Do you

think something moral gets immoral because of a change in legislation?

If this is a state line, and I am allowed to have this plant right here, but I am not allowed to have

this plant on here (step to side), does that mean that morality is different right here from what it is

right there? Did the state government achieve to change morality?

[Remember to affirm, e.g: I want you to be able to live by your own conscience and ignore every

law on the planet. I want you to be able to use your own judgment and free will, and ignore

anybody claiming the right to force you to go against what you believe is right.]

**6. Morality of the Majority**

Does a majority have the right to do whatever it wants to a minority, as long as it uses voting and

the political process?

How about gang rape? They let her vote, but she lost. Is that ok? (NO!!)

In what case does that change? How about, if they just vote to steal her purse instead? How

about, if they just steal a little bit of money out of her purse?

How about if we voted do make slavery legal again? Where do you draw the line?

[Example of an advanced distraction attempt:

'No, but that's what the constitution is for.' - Okay, but strictly related to my question, would you say

that majority processes are legitimate?

'Yes, the majority is legitimate when it is in combination with the constitution.' - Okay, so does the

constitution take precedence over the majority? If the constitution takes precedence over the

majority, how legitimate is the majority process exactly? If it were a little legitimate, then a little

bit of gang rape would also be okay, right?

(This is irrefutable, but can also trigger blackouts; from here, it's best to lead into Question Block 1

to keep the thread and then use that to also debunk the constitution.)

'No' - Okay, would it be moral duty to obey if something immoral is commanded in the

constitution? (From here, continue with Question Block 1)

(Comment: It’s fun to defuse advanced distractions; note which reactions/responses you couldn't

adress and then write a script like this at home for when the question comes up again and for your

own understanding.)]

**7. Morality of Slavery**

Do you believe it's ok for government to force you to fund things, that you are opposed to, that

you think are actually bad?

If you could have a choice, and you could see the government budget line by line, and you could

say "ok, this and this is cool", but that war thing or what ever you don't like... if you could have the

choice to say "I don't want to pay for that" and cross it out, and you don't get taxed for that.

Would you want that?

[Affirm: Yes, I would want you to have that too, even if you don't want to fund anything that I

want.]

Would you be ok, with me having that right too, where I can look at the government spending and

cross out what I think is bad to fund from my own money?

Are you going to allow them the freedom, to not pay for the things you want, or would you like

that freedom for you, but not for them? Do you want them forced to fund what you think is

important?

[Even if someone with moral potential spontaneously says yes here, they will secretly feel

ashamed afterward; it just sounds cruel when stated so obviously and prompts self-reflection.]

[Another advanced objection: "It is ok to rob rich people." - Ok, what makes that moral? - "Because

they all stole from the rest." - How do you know it's all of them, and how much they stole? How much

wealth exactly counts as rich? Aren't those assumptions? Would it be moral if you steal from someone,

because you _assume_ they have stolen something? (Or would you have to do case-by-case trials to

determine who is the rightful owner of what? Would you want someone steal from you, based on

assumptions?)]

**Bonus Question Blocks:**

**A) (almost) all Questions in one Block,** from Larken Rose „Government on Trial“

Is there any means by which any number of individuals can delegate to someone else, the moral

right to do something which none of these individuals have the moral right to themselfes?

Do those who wield political power, have the moral rights to do things that other people don’t

have the right to do? If so, from whom and how did they acquire such a right?

Is there any process, such as constitutions, voting or legislations, by which human beings can

transform an immoral action into a moral action, without changing the action itself?

When lawmakers and lawenforcers use coersion and force in the name of government, do they

bear the same responsibility that anyone else would for doing the same thing on their own?

When there is a conflict between an individuals own moral conscience and the commands of a

political authority, is the individual morally obligated to do what he personally sees as wrong in

order to obey the law?

**B) 3 question quicky for short conversations**

Can someone give another person a right that they don’t have themselves?

Does the government do things that regular people don’t have the right to do?

If someone can’t give a right they don’t have, how does the government get the right to do things

that regular people can’t do?

**Attachment 1: How do you become confident in knowing what is moral?**

At first, it was difficult for me to indirectly assume (through this method), that I had the wisdom of

the ages. It seemed very arrogant to claim that I knew what absolute morality is. However, if you

think about it, anyone can easily derive it with logic:

What does it actually mean when an action is moral? Moral = right. Immoral = wrong. But right or

wrong in relation to what? - In relation to whether it contributes to the well-being of the most

beings possible, especially humans/ humanity.

By well-being, I mean health, wealth, joy of life, quality of life, minimization of suffering, etc.

Now you can simply examine all possible principles that lead closest to this ideal. The highest

principle I have encountered so far is the NAP: the Non-Attacking Principle.

Attacking violence leads to suffering, devaluation, separation, unproductive conflict, etc. The

absence of attacking violence rewards cooperation, communication, healthy competition, and thus

creates value, which means well-being for the most beings possible.

So you can establish the formula:

Degree of collective moral action = Degree of collective freedom. (collective as in cumulative

within the human species)

Where does freedom suddenly come from? Even the fewest Bitcoiners consciously reflect on what

they actually want to be free FROM when they talk about freedom. This lack of clarity leads to

misunderstandings with unaware people: "Free from rules? Free from boundaries? Free from

trees and houses and birds?? Freedom bad!!"

When you look closely enough, every person will agree that they simply want freedom from

attacking violence. That’s it.

And in what sentence can ALL forms of attacking violence be summarized and rejected? "You shall

not steal." This sentence is the ultimate morality. Period.

(Whether a specific action was an instance of attacking violence or not, is a matter of

interpretation on a case-by-case basis, but the principle of morality itself remains forever

untouched. Solutions for bias minimized interpretation are a different topic.)

So, for those who, after such a conscious derivation, still claim that morality is relative, that there

is no right and no wrong, I have no problem saying that I know the truth and they do not.

Knowledge is power, and no slave should possess knowledge. That is why we are led to believe

that there is no right and wrong, that there is nothing to know.

The path to freeing your mind from slavery inevitably leads through giving yourself (via derivation)

the permission... to know.

**Attachment: How do I best learn the method?**

Learning styles can vary for everyone; I will simply describe my own process.

The most important thing is to understand the content. Look at each question and explain out

loud or in writing what insight the question leads to. And how does it lead to the end of slavery,

aka the Bitcoin Standard, when a critical mass has this insight? What contradictory belief does the

question highlight? Also, examine the order of the questions and understand: How does one

insight/conscious consideration lead to the next?

Chunking: Choose the block of questions that you like best and memorize only that block at first.

You can also adjust the questions so that the formulations resonate better with you. Actors often

learn their lines by repeating a sentence until they no longer need to look at it. Then they repeat

the next one and then both together etc. Expect 10-30 repetitions per sentence.

Additionally, you can summarize each question in a bullet point or a single memory word and use

that as a guide while reviewing.

You can also just start by memorizing the titles of the question blocks.

If you can't practice in real life right now or prefer to do dry runs first, think of tricky counter-

questions or distractions and consider how to meaningfully steer back to the core questions/the

core insight (Authority is an illusion).

You simply have to spend time with the question chapter over and over again, and think about it

from all possible angles.

If you don't have time to sit down separately and are more of an audio learner, you can record the

block you are currently learning as a memo (not on WhatsApp/Telegram of course) and listen to it

while cooking, driving, etc.

For example: (Question 1, pause to repeat) x3, (Question 2, pause) x3, etc.

Or afterwards with the pattern: (Memory word 1, pause to repeat the question) x3, etc.

At a certain point, however, you should also go out into the real world and practice. It is often

easier with strangers than with family. I would leave the professional environment.

You can also start an Orange Pill Mastery group with other trusted plebs from your meetups to

share experiences and help each other with tricky objections/distractions. I got myself some

recording equipment to record my conversations and share them in my local group.

I know this is a lot of work, but I prefer to fight this way in information warfare rather than being

in a physical warzone or gulag. And in contrast, this process helps develop your character in a way

that is useful for life.

_Thank you, dear reader, for your actions.

Thank you, dear Larken, for your brilliant thinking._

nice post

Rumble seems to be biggest after YouTube. Odysee is out there too. No one has the "reach" for newcomers like YouTube currently.

it is a vicious cycle.

Until content creators move, the viewership won't move. Viewers aren't going to go to alternatives and watch nothing. Creators must go first.

They got us.

Credit card companies got everyone to use their credit cards for the points (1.5-2% back) and now every merchant puts a 3%+ surcharge for using a credit card.

Well played

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I’m coming to the sad conclusion that there really isn’t much going on inside of 90% of people. While they have the capacity and capability to self-reflect and creatively engage in the world, they don’t. They desire ease, comfort, and conformity above all else.

Not only that, but they fill themselves with so much garbage, propaganda, and ideals from others around them who are similar; they mute any real voice or agency that does come from within. They are not interested in the dynamic creative possibilities of the world, but the ease of obedience towards those who know what’s best for them. Their motto is ‘don’t rock the boat’.

These people are fucking dangerous, not because they want to hurt you, but because they lack the capacity to truly self-reflect in a meaningful way. They don’t care about what is true, just that the rules are followed. They don’t want to feel uncomfortable within self-reflection, but to flee into the values of others they have been told are theirs as well and is the only right way to be.

It is a valorization of callousness, a celebration of conformity, and a religious respect for authority to such an extent that their own personal responsibility vanishes.

These are NPCs. They are agents of the system and an integral part of how it functions and projects power. They are little more that drones at the subservience of the state, and only a radical awakening that forces them into the existential angst of what their only life is and means is the only thing that can truly awaken beings that are so asleep that they have forgotten their own being.

Uncle Ted figured this out and wrote about it decades ago

I had all kinds of mess. But revolved around using two different computers during setup with it and just starting nostr. Had different accounts and didn't realize it

Linux users are still saying they're early...

I'm not tech savvy. Does this mean you can get domains for free? You don't have to go through domain registrars?

internet says Tor (onion routing) is an open protocol. The network of relays is considered a "platform". I'm no network administrator though