All good man, I'm not quite following..

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Fair. Things always sound more clear in my head :) I think this deserves a blog or something more long form.

It’s always a challenge to balance the “purist” approach with the practical realities. I imagine a Venn diagram, a small set of actions that allow us to be completely true to both.

if it doesn't pay the bills it isn't even considered, but with fiat a lot of that is just directing the flood of liquidity and not about actually meeting a market need

I would consider it more of an overton window.

I think there may be too much overlap with "practical realities" and cop out. Not in all cases, I guess it depends why were here.

This is why I see it as a Venn diagram. Super easy to meet one requirement without the other:

cypherpunk but no PMF

or

PMF but not cypherpunk

The challenge is to achieve both at the same time.

I think I can agree

i think the point is about finding legitimate market needs to fulfill

i've been saying this for some time

much of the money coming to bitcoin and nostr dev does not make conditions of contingency upon building an actual business model from it, just building some idealistic thing

if the focus was on making actual business, and not fiat VC burn, we'd be a lot more effective at getting people to come here and stay and turn off the mainstream

there just isn't much difference, shitty software, half assed ideas, and nobody actually trying to make a business that actually brings in enough money to pay the people making it happen

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