we are trying to see plants and animals and humans with a previous idea in mind. even with a nevous system, each living being experience pain in a different way and I notice in myself that my thoughts and beliefs affects a lot of my perception of pain. while giving birth to my babies I felt some kind of pain, but I think it had a lot to do with my mind and my traumas and not because my body was designed for that (and even though I could spend 30 hours there, feeling it was the most incredible thing I had been through) - I saw other women giving birth and some of them felt pleasure. I don't see pain as a bad thing in itself. there are many labels in this talk. I don't know the answers but I think none can give an answer for anybody else but themselves - all we can do is really investigate within ourselves and see where are our choices coming from. but I certainly agree that the way we treat animals (and humans) doesn't seem healthy and painless.

and about compassion, I think it only can be true when it comes from a kind of eternity feeling - so it really is for everything. but when we feel compassion, it's not felt by the individual or the ego, although it is included and can be aware of the experience.

how do you feel about these words?