first
the sender of a payment *knowing the destination* isn't "tracing the payment"
second
picking on the mentally ill like Digit isnt particularly convincing. its just kinda mean.
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You did the same thing to me when I had even fewer followers
Literally the exact same thing, trolling me and gaslighting me with dumbass lies, splitting the thread with quote posts etc
You couldn't handle admitting things don't need to be priced in dollars, remember?
Im still waiting for you to show your magical formula of setting prices that never touches USD
seek help
No, you're still lying, trolling, and gaslighting, but you're not and have not been waiting for my math since I fucking linked you a CSV of my math very early in that thread which you just kept spamming and trolling me about then too
archive.org/download/btc-doge-xmr-10y/crypto%20comparison%20graphic/crypto%20comparison%20data.csv
Weird, my csv file seems incomplete when I look at the link now. Should have more years at least
But still shows the general concept of calculating things in a basis other than dollars
there is no link to a CSV in that thread.
there is a screenshot of a spreadsheet that doesn't have the information you claim it does.
There's a link to a post with an archive.org csv download link in that thread, or the download link itself, I don't remember
But I'm pretty sure I didn't take a screenshot of the spreadsheet? Idk
I will now that you suggested it -
It seems incomplete but still shows the general concept nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzqamkcvk5k8g730e2j6atadp6mxk7z4aaxc7cnwrlkclx79z4tzygqy88wumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmv9uq3wamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwdehhxarj9e3xzmny9uqzqtul8acp4zzhqcgfm5ny7yxugkjj4y7vt5nyurnf7qzje35arqjw8jgpgr
> [that] isn't "tracing the payment
Yes it is, it is the first step in very many traces. Everyone knows this, e.g. here's a coinbase article explaining how dust attacks are part of many traces -- and they rely on the sender's ability to know the destination of their funds. Lightning, of course, fixes this.
cope harder.
the sending knowing the address of the recipient is not "tracing"
there is zero difference here to sending a letter to an address provided.
nobody calls that "tracing"
everybody knows this.
List of people who say that tracing includes sending money to a pubkey or address and watching it to see what happens next:
- Chainalysis
- Coinbase
- Gemini
- Wikipedia
- Bitcoin wiki
Many sources: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22dust+attack%22+or+%22dusting+attack%22+%22to+trace%22+or+%22tracing%22+%22bitcoin%22
List of people in denial:
- Kanzan
the "watching to see what happens next" is doing all the work in that sentence.
sending an output and knowing where it goes is not tracing.
you can do the first half (send dust!) but not the second (know what happens next!)
therefore it is not tracing.
everybody knows this. its pathetic you continue to expend social capital trying to redefine words just to FUD a little bit more.
Sure, watching to see what happens next is *critical* but sending the money in the first place is *also* a critical part of the trace, unless you can find someone who already sent money to your target. You need a pubkey to watch -- where so you get it? Either by paying it yourself or finding someone who already did. You don't get to exclude that critical step in almost every trace just because you find it inconvenient that monero makes it easy.
> you can do the first half (send dust!) but not the second (know what happens next!) therefore it is not tracing
First half of what? If your answer is "first half of tracing" then QED, sending money and identifying the destination is part of tracing. And that is what your answer "should" be because dust attacks are a perfect example of tracing -- a textbook example. And they completely rely on what you call "the first half." It's a critical step of practically every trace except ones where someone you're working with already sent the target some money.
bro this is sad