Bit harsh delivery perhaps, but it got me thinking...

And keep in mind I'm just spitbaling here. I don't like democracy, especially not at the nation state level, however, since it's not going anywhere fast, I wonder...

It used to be a prerequisit that to vote you had to own land. The idea was that you had a stake in the way things turned out, so you had a say.

What about, instead, you only get to vote if you have kids? You've got a solid stake in the future.

Don't shoot me down here, please. Like I said, I don't approve of democracy, so I'd never advocate for this. But, is there any fairness to the argument (medical conditions excepted)?

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I'm all for restricting voting privileges... So no argument here 😂

Logical but I doubt people would go for it.

Ultimately there’s no fair or freedom oriented way to do it that I can think of. Maybe the closest thing is if you commit a violent crime or a non violent crime of sufficient impact (steal $10B or something) you lose your right to vote as you’ve shown you are a threat to society by a jury of your peers beyond a reasonable doubt.

However, down this path you end up doing some sort of “purity” test to see if people are more long term or short term oriented and that is hugely flawed and problematic at best. Yes kids are a maybe a half decent proxy of more long term orientation, but there’s plenty of shitty parents and honest people without kids. It’s not a strong enough indicator to take away someone’s fundamental natural rights imo.

The problem of too many people being too short term biased is very real but it’s easy to get to a state where the cure is worse than the disease. Everything I’ve seen on this topic falls under that category to me: would just make it worse.

What if it does change fast? Genuinely? That’s what I question.

Never want to shoot you down for having an opinion fren 🫂

I get your thinking, but some people are awful and I hope they don’t have kids just to be able to vote 😭

And then there’s also peoples like me 🥹🙋🏽‍♀️ with 2% rizz. It’s gonna take me a minute, my rizz is quirky, but I’ll have kids for sure

Eshara, you have plenty of rizz, you just haven't found the right man yet.

Evidently even I have rizz, since I might have made a *very* favorable impression on a fellow and hiker/camper on my recent adventure.

You're way cuter than I could ever hope to be, so... You'll be fine. Really. 😁

Thanks Beave 🥹🫂 I attract guys who aren’t the kindest ngl, I blame my rizz 🤣, but I have hope there will be a kind one next ☺️🤞

I bloody well knew it mate! 💜🫂

I knew you’d find a lovely mountain lady ☺️ so happy for you 🙏🏽🫂

Oh dear...

You do need a kind man. You are a gentle and loving dearie. You really could use a strong, compassionate, intelligent bloke.

Eh... Nothing so far as found, and we really aren't sure about anything yet. She's also horrible at texting. (She told me so, so that's mostly fine.) I have no clue if this will turn into a true mountain romance. 🫣😅😁

Can’t believe I had to search the term “rizz” 🤣

I had to have it explained to me. I'm old. IDGAF. But it's a fun term so I don't mind.

Yep, I learnt something today and I always love that. (Also a bit old too and DGAF).

If you're ever too old to learn something new, that's when you're too old.

Yep 👍🏼 I’m forever 30 too…

I'm not, even if I've looked like I'm in my early 30s (if I shave) for over a decade.

😁

How about we just don't vote at all? Build your own community that functions without the intrusion of the state.