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Itโs a platform ran by a non profit. Protocols > platforms.
What is a protocol without a platform ?
I can use 14 different email clients. I can only use 1 twitter client.
idk the context here + also not reading back
but - you can def have more than one twitter account..
i have a couple ๐
A great way to put it!
Nostr takes social and separates the platform level from the protocol.
No one central authority to create or manage accounts. Just get your public/private key, use any number of clients, and away you go.
How is it better?
Admins can shut down your account /s
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You think relays wonโt get that here ?
The fediverse was ruined by mass blocking of instances for political reasons .
It will happen here too
It's all fun and games and "anti-censorship" until the pedophiles roll in. Once that happens, I bet people start innovating pretty quickly.
Even without that, I find that everyone is "anti-censorship" right up until they find something they REALLY, REALLY hate, and then they want to make an exception "just this once," and at that point there's no "anti-censorship" moral high ground to stand on.
I'm willing to bet the average bitcoinfag here is a lot more okay with censorship than they're willing to admit, even to themselves.
everyone loves some censorship, they just want it 'their' way, nostr allows us each to choose censorship our own way
Well, the relay operators get to choose it.
and we have many relays, and more will come and p2p will come, anyone can run a relay
generally now tho only clients each censor
How exactly do we stop the Chinese boy spammers ?
well i dont see them on iris which uses webs of trust, but there is many ways we can filter, like a char filter, shared blocking, shared follows etc
nostr has not even really begun to implement moderation possibilities
Needs something quick lol . Damus users feel the pain.
iris.to
Love it and am self-hosting it iris.poster.place
lol dont drop your key in rando sites people
But that's exactly what users are asked to do when they go to https://iris.to
iris.to is not a rando site, but you should use alby or nos2x, https://github.com/irislib/faq
> iris.to is not a rando site
It is to me...And it is to anyone else who's new and overwhelmed by the many (mostly half-baked, Iris seems to be the best so far) clients available to them, each of which wants their private key.
Thanks for the pointers on extensions, I'll check them out.
well you should start out with a temporary key and maybe not plan on it being more long term until you understand key security a bit and then maybe get a new key
#[8] is quite a nice guy so i generally would trust things he does but he has admitted to security issues with iris
people should be aware nostr content is likely forever as most stuff on the net is, learn to use nyms and other keys pls, dont make yourself a martyr
Literally any nostr app
As long you're using more than one relay, you're immutable to most relay censorship. Unlike your Mastodon account, which resides on a single server. It would take some sort of mass consensus from all relay operators to ban a pubkey, which I doubt would ever happen. There will always be an available relay where it's operator doesn't give af about the content that passes through it.
I mean the fediverse in general
Better federation and user discovery
Apps and many front-ends
Moderation tools
Custom emojis
Data retention tools
Youโre describing a platform. Nostr is a protocol.
Good luck. Views from a person that called Nostr Negro-Damus.
This is the behavior that ruined Twitter and the fediverse
Censorship happy twats
I believe in protocols and technology like I believe in your right to write and print your own book. I donโt have to read it, but I want you to have the ability to say something I disagree with.
Ignore them theyโre a huge troll.
We are having a real chat now and you call me a troll? This is important. I donโt want nostr to suck like fediverse
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Have you used the apps or web clients? Theyโre genuinely terrible. I canโt even see likes or follows on damus.
Used Iris mobile app. It works ok.
Didnโt realize Iris had a mobile app
I think he means the web app. Iris is ok, Iโll try it again. Still isnโt great though tbh.
It is the web app, but its available on Google Play Store
Imagine using the google play store.
Wasn't on F-Droid so I settled
She uses iOS lol
Ah, good ol' tech communism
Oh right, google is freedom LMAO.
I got an iPhone because degoogled Android was a pain in the ass so many times, I wanted a phone that I just had to live with, spyware be damned. Theyโre both the same shit.
I donโt think thereโs much spyware on iPhone if you donโt use iCloud.
My complaint about Iris is that it's impossible to navigate around threads and comments. I click things from the "heart icon" list in the upper right, and it takes me to the most random places, usually nothing to do with anything I've said.
Sometimes it straight up shows you likes on other peopleโs posts. Itโs very busted.
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CCP does not have a chip, and all monitoring systems collapse immediately.
Now, at the subway entrance, the CCP checks the mobile phone, finds out, installs Twitter, YouTube, Telegram and other American software, and immediately arrests them. Chinese people must prepare 2 mobile phones. A mobile phone is specially used to check information for the police.
This bitch, lies every day. She also angrily denounced reporters at the press conference for questioning: Why can't Chinese people use Twitter and Facebook?
When Mastadon started censoring gab I knew it would fail long term.
The digital world has shifted from protocols to platforms and back over the last 30 years. Weโre in a transition back to protocols. We will
probably make the same mistake again and move back to platforms in a decade or so. Platforms are easier to build and monetize so the tendency will always be there. Every single platform today is just another attempt to be the next AOL.
You deal realize that Nostr will never get normies right? This is too complicated for them. If normies hated Mastodon and the Fedivserse, which provide a better user experience than Nostr, this is doomed to be a small niche community despite the tech being interesting and better
I remember when call waiting on POTS was too complicated. Everything is too complicated for normies in the beginning. As adoption grows, simplicity follows. Look at the old Treo phones vs the iPhone today.
In the computer world, hard to use tech usually does not win. Seen it happen over and over on Fedi as Boomers and Twitter normies invaded the platform. All this crypto talk will also make people leave. Normies don't care about zaps
I agree on your first point but technology has historically gotten easier to use over time. Why would this be any different?
The concept of relays, keys, federation is hard concepts for tech-novices. Seen it happen a lot
The interwebs was much harder to navigate mid-90โs. People are smarter than you think. Also Clients will hide most complexities.
So is IMAP and SMTP. Billions of devices around the world can send email on an open protocol at the speed of light for free.
I guess I donโt even get what youโre arguing here
You said Mastodon is better - How?
You seem to be arguing for platforms like Twitter and Facebook because of ease of use. Not sure how long youโve been using technology, but Facebook was not very easy to use when it launch. Things evolve.
>So is IMAP and SMTP. Billions of devices around the world can send email > on an open protocol at the speed of light for free.
It's easy to understand: person@company.com
> You said Mastodon is better - How?
1. Better federation and User Discovery. No need to add relays.
2. Moderation and Management Tools
3. Better web interface with many more features like reacts, custom emojis, quote posts
4. Millions of diverse users, not just crypto bros
Try it: https://poster.place
>You seem to be arguing for platforms like Twitter and Facebook because of > ease of use. Not sure how long youโve been using technology, but Facebook > was not very easy to use when it launch. Things evolve
I am 38 and worked for a few Silicon Valley Startups. I am a Linux nerd and worked in Tech Marketing. Boomers were even able to use Twitter and Facebook since it's inception. I Hate Facebook and Twitter but they have a better user experience like Mastodon/Fediverse/Gab. You start talking about decentralization ,relays, keys, zaps and you will loose them.
I disagree that it has better federation and I think if someone like bot can learn to manage her keys then pretty much anyone can. Itโs no different than a password. Nostr has a slightly less traditional model but itโs not particularly difficult, or I wouldnโt be using it.
THis is how federation works on Fedi:
1. STart out with nothing on your feed.
2. Add some known relays or users, posts start coming up.
3. As soon as a user is found, it's added to the database and gets posts for the user.
4. The more users found, your network grows, your timeline gets busy
On Nostor, you have to figure out what relays to use and what user is on which relay. There is not learning of users on the entire network. No discovery
Most clients add relays by default that 90% of people are on. As for discovery, the only thing making it not work is spam. There needs to be some kind of starting point. This could be solved by promoting smaller relays somehow, and clients could show their local feed, not unlike the local timeline on Fedi.
Seems like Iris figured out spam somehow. I am on the damus relay too and don't see anything coming from it lol
read its specs and you'll understand what's "global" for iris. nostrgram also follows a similar approach
here: "Iris rejects all content from authors that your social network has not interacted with. You get way less spam, but the downside is that discovery of new users is more difficult, and sometimes you don't see all the messages that appear on other clients."
People here are very generous with follows and interactions though. Once you break through itโs cake.
Ah ty. So if normies interact with them, without realizing it is spam, everyone will be spammed?
Yeah, if all clients do what Iris does then discovery will basically be fixed overnight.
Yup. Do you know what they do exactly?
Basically they donโt show accounts on Global with no followers and thatโs it. That alone fixes the spam lol.
Youโre assuming the technology and tools donโt evolve and get better. The internet in the 90s was also tough to get online for many people. Dial up, CDs, non-intuitive browsers. Same could be said about BTC and purchasing/holding it.
Better social platforms already exist like Mastodon, for over 10 years. It had a chance to get many Twitter users and it failed becausae nobody liked it. How do you expect this to grow when better user-friendly platforms can't even attract normies.
PS I want Nostr to win of course, this is cool sht.
Iโm very confused by your statement. If nobody liked it, why would you expect it to grow? There are also many projects that simply fail because the time wasnโt right or the masses werenโt ready for it. Electric cars were invented in the early 1900s, as an example.
> If nobody liked it, why would you expect it to grow?
Small niche communities are nice. That is what makes the Fediverse great. I am sure that you enjoy talking to people about zaps all day in your community. Putting everyone on a platform like Twitter is shouting out into the void and worshiping blue checkmark celebrities brought to you by the algorithm.
> There are also many projects that simply fail because the time wasnโt right or the masses werenโt ready for it
The problem with Niche communities or alternative technology is that they are hard to get people to try and stay. Nostr's learning curve is pretty high for normies compared to already proven alternative social media networks like Gab, Mastodon, Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey.