I could never really understand why people tortured themselves with marriage if they don’t plan to have kids.

I had kids young and it was rough getting settled into stability, but I see so many peers just waiting and waiting for every reason why they are not ready. Sooner or later, you miss the boat. Have Faith, take the leap.

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Even if you have kids marriage is completely unnecessary. Except if marriage gives you benefits like tax returns, cheaper kindergarten etc. I don't even know if such benefits exist :)

Two can love each other and be forever together without marriage but I know that's somehow hard to understand and unthinkable in some cultures.

I can almost agree with this. If you have kids you should be married. If you don't want kids (a mistake for most) then there is no point to getting married. That's why I don't und the whole gay marriage thing. I don't care what other people want to do and I may disagree personally but I wouldn't advocate for laws against same sex relationships, but what the point of getting married if you can't have kids anyways.

you can have kids if you are gay. lesbian couples can have donor sperm. gay couples can have donor eggs and surrogates. any couple regardless of sexuality can adopt. that's a family just as much as having "your own" biological children.

Not biologically was my point but I'm curious, what's the percentage of gay couples that adopt?

Fwiw I'm very against surrogacy and in vitro fertilization....

Against IVF for the same reasons I'm against abortion.

Adoption is good.

kinda regarded bro

not about gay marriage but

some people want companionship even if they dont want kids.

or if theyve dedicated their lives to something else and don't have enough life left for kids.

although i agree with your basic point about traditional marriage

there's lots of different ways to be a human being

You don't need to be married to be together forever...

ceremony is important.

The ceremony comes from a religion that explicitly states the union is between man and woman...

I really don't give a shit legally anyways. Call it a government marriage.

I'm didn't say anything about gay marriage

and I don't care what the state thinks.

I think we can agree the state shouldn't be involved anyway.

Very regarded 👌🏻

#typostr

Oof. Terrible advice, but you do you. 🤙

It more of an opinion then advice :) Of course it depends how laws are structured in your place and how much rights one have if bad things happen. These are somehow a taboo topics nobody likes to talk about but because people like easier ways, they choose marriage but this can become more of a burden then not if one decided different path.

as a child of a broken marriage i object to this, it's damaging to the children to not have firm boundaries and it's bad for the adults to be wishy washy about making commitments, reserving the right to break things up should have a higher penalty considering the effects it has

my father was an abusive shit though, i mean, really bad, some of the things he did, cold blooded

Strong argument 👍

Marriage is the harder path, not the easier one. Worthwhile things are never easy, and I'd never abandon a sacrament just because the state has made a mess of things.

Every couple is free to hold themselves to a higher standard, by holding to their vows. Abandoning the vows altogether is a solution in search of a problem.

Marriage is the only binding “commitment” that currently exists. I wish we had other options. I think committing to something (someone) is an essential step in life. Does it have to be “Till death do you part” marriage? I don’t think so. Maybe we could have term limits, or renegotiation periods, like when the babies become teenagers or leave the house.

But the same goes for any partnership (creative, romantic, platonic) if you don’t commit, and take on some of the hard stuff about getting close to others, then yea, I think we lose as a society.

For most people that miss the boat, it's before they know it.