i can't let myself sleep right away because i did eat a big meal of 3 hamburger and peas, beans, carrots and taters, so i was reading #Enoch, and up to chapter 18-21 it describes #Tartarus, the lake of fire, where it repeatedly says that the fallen angels "shall be bound for ten thousand years...

Then in 21 it starts talking about a place where the souls of the dead are gathered, and talks about how they are preparing their cases against the ones who did them wrong when the time of judgement comes

The main sin of these #Angels is that of procreating with human women, and the ones who are dead and who were wronged were wronged by these angels and their giant offspring

It specifically describes seeing #Abel also "making suit" in relation to being murdered by his brother #Cain

the descriptions of the house of the lord and the holy ones that attend to him is amazing, clearly lots of light emitting things and materials made of crystals and glass like materials

but it also several times talks about different groups of 7 mountains, one was those of Tartarus, the prison of the fallen angels, and another was somewhere else, and the place where the souls were being gathered there is smooth depressions in the ground where they were gathered

anyway... absolutely fascinating stuff, i mean this is not your ordinary biblical text... it makes it very clear that angels are a kind of human, like as we know now the neanderthals (erectus) was able to interbreed with sapiens, and these angels are a kind of human that has mastered some incredible knowledge and technology, space flight, obviously some kind of knowledge of how to handle the substance of spirit, and yeah... tartarus, i'm pretty sure it's the Canary Islands, which are so named after the dogs that live on them...

as you can see, there are 7

anyway, i must continue to read this until my belly is calm and i can sleep

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Interesting stuff. It's not your ordinary biblical text because it's literally extra-biblical: outside the Bible. But I think Saint Peter alludes to it in one example of the judgment.

Genesis also confirms him as the 7th descendant of Adam and briefly discusses the fact that he ascended to heaven

that it's not part of the bible is a signal, in my opinion, that the catholic church didn't want people to understand that angels were humans

they literally tried to eliminate it from all of europe, it didn't get seen by europeans again until someone discovered the Ethiopian Orthodox Christians kept it

and half of the famous sayings of Jesus are actually quotations of Enoch

i call bullshit on the idea that the catholic bible is the word of God, it has some of His Words but not the most important ones.

also i re-read the part about the smooth formations that housed the souls of the dead... there's 4 of them, each for different groups

the lake of fire is for the Angels btw, not for normal sapiens humans, and they are locked there for over 10,000 years and by the timeline calculations i've seen, not the standard catholic bible ones, it was about 10,000 years ago when Enoch flew away to the sky to join the Angels in their migration to the stars, and the fallen angels are confined here, that means there has been a guard on this planet ever since that time

The book Enoch was not considered canon in Judaism nor pre-schism Christianity. It's not in the Septuagint, for example, the Scriptures that Jesus quotes in the four gospels.

That doesn't mean it's not interesting or not useful, but it is not normative. There doesn't seem to have been a conspiracy to stamp it out, no conspiracy, it simply wasn't considered canon so it wasn't propagated.

I see a couple of Ethiopian churches have a larger set of scriptures and they include it. That does not elevate it to the status of the Torah or New Testament.

Which are these famous sayings of Jesus that quote from Enoch? Or are you referring to other extra-biblical books here too?

i would go further and add that several of Jesus statements come straight out of the Tao Te Ching and the writings of Chuang Tzu also

i am working on my understanding of this concurrently with my necessary work that pays my bills, it's a complex subject and i have many distractions

also, just read the damn thing, just the first part even, and then come back to me and talk about what the real sin of the fallen angels was

it wasn't just tempting eve to steal fruit from a tree

it was a whole systemic thing that the Noah story details

to say it's not foundational is actually retarded

which direction do the references pass from the canon to the texts of Enoch? yes, not from enoch to the canon, and that should say a lot i think

seriously, none of the canon texts discount that guy, none

they just don't emphasise the reality of the angels, and i think that is a 🚩