Haha, yeah, I still see the mod-bad sentiment reverberating, but I'm sort of glad it's still alive to offset the other angles. It shouldn't take 3+ clicks for users see any mention of a relay in their app, let alone assumed they know how to navigate them. Nostr is much more interesting than it's portrayed as in many situations, and not just to developers. If notes are moderated to new users' acceptance, relays are buried and unexplained, and keys are hidden behind auto-generated display names, the whole thing starts moving towards unintentional user lockin, simply because it's too hard to leave.

On the main topic, I do think it's possible to collectively start building traction on moderation and curation soon, as clients shift & all these slick, super fun relays keep evolving. Team too-much-bitcoin-talk would definitely get the ball rolling if there wasn't a bunch of hurdles to overcome to do it. wss://relays.land/spatianostra a good example of what's possible without labels, even if it is a little too much "sunshine and rainbows" for regular browsing. I can imagine a similar setup, of people willing to label content collectively with a predetermined list of tags that the relay will accept... but again that gets stuck without the ability to label from within some widely used social client. The voting works because we can "like" from any client, then like-vote with intention later. (It's actually been fun psychological self-evaluation to participate in that) Would most people bother? Maybe not, but the ones that do would likely approach it with good intention. I'm struggling with how to keep that concept dynamic though. People who's content gets labeled, and who also label, get looped in? I don't know... you got my long thought for the day. Sorry. 😅