I used to think monero was better than bitcoin for privacy, but now I know monero is not necessary.

We can achieve privacy using chaumian e-cash instead of a blockchain. What's more, these e-cash solutions are interoperable with the lightning network.

The steel-man argument against this is that chaumian mints require some trust.

This is true, but Bitcoin is a peer to peer electronic cash system that requires no trust. We can trutnthst there will never be more than 21 million #bitcoin. Every other blockchain is an attempted breach of that trust, an attempt at debasing bitcoin the same way governments have debased gold by adding other metal to it.

That's my two sats.

I would rather trust a few thousand sats with an e cash provider than try to debase the p2p electronic cash system that bitcoin is.

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There is no second best

100%. Everything necessary will be built on Bitcoin but it will take time. Running to shitcoins is low time preference behavior.

One can just as easily argue that "custodial solutions" are low time preference behavior

Sure, but I expect to empty my zappi g wallet every month. I don't keep my retirement money in a custodial wallet, just the money I intend to spend that month.

Can't a Monero/Bitcoin user just say the same thing?

"I don't keep my retirement money in Monero, just the money I intend to spend that month"

They can even completely avoid the potential 100% loss from being rugged

Btw I think ecash has it's own advantages over Monero and vice versa. I use both.

This makes complete sense to me...

How about it, #Monero people? Bring your A-game argument to refute this?🤔 #asknostr

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Confused

using Monero is "debasing bitcoin?"

what's the logic here?

I used to think monero was better than bitcoin for privacy, but now I know monero is not necessary.

We can achieve privacy using chaumian e-cash instead of a blockchain. What's more, these e-cash solutions are interoperable with the lightning network.

The steel-man argument against this is that chaumian mints require some trust.

This is true, but Bitcoin is a peer to peer electronic cash system that requires no trust. We can trutnthst there will never be more than 21 million #bitcoin. Every other blockchain is an attempted breach of that trust, an attempt at debasing bitcoin the same way governments have debased gold by adding other metal to it.

That's my two sats.

I would rather trust a few thousand sats with an e cash provider than try to debase the p2p electronic cash system that bitcoin is.

In the Wealth of Nations Adam Smith talks about the debasement of currencies by governments all around the world. They achieved this by smelting different metals with gold, making each coin contain less and less gold over time.

I see all alt coins as an attempt to debase bitcoin, a peer to peer electronic cash system. My node does not accept these debasment coins.

I do view stablecoins a little differently however. For example, USDT is a digital representation of the dollar backed by the very financial instrument that is used to debase those dollars. I believe stablecoins are monetizing the debt, which debases fiat. This is not an argument for stablecoins, they're ust a little different.

I could be more rich in bitcoin than satoshi everytime I heard "now I know it's not necessary"

e-cash solutions are custodial and a mint provider still knows where fund goes (pretty like lightning) additionnaly of being an optionnal solution (not fixing Bitcoin).

Altcoins aren't mixing anything with bitcoin so the metaphor doesnt apply.

like,

at all.

How about

"people believing other things debase my beliefs"

"the existence of white people debase the brown people"

it makes no fucking sense.

I actually agree. Altcoins are failed attempts at debasing bitcoin, even Satoshi's namecoin.

I have been heavily influenquote. This Knut Svanholm quote:

The XMR shill thought an intermediate LN node can censor a transaction and even steal the funds… shocking ignorance.

There are no solutions. There are only trade-offs. - Thomas Sowell

Great quote.