Nostr Web Client

i'm pretty much done with using lightning at this point

i have first hand experience trying to work with the LND people, i don't trust blockstream or any of rusty or nifty, alby has been pretty good but i think there is growing interop problems with LDK and others

actually, probably the only lightning server i have had consistently good experience with is acinq's phoenix and i'm pretty damn sure that this is an interop bug caused on the LDK side

and java, *cough* java, just no, i'm not running a java lightning node

so i'm out

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The Beave 8mo ago

I'll sit over hear grinning without saying I told you so.

Honestly, it sucks that it hasn't worked for you.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 8mo ago

yeah, it was handy but without any actual vendors to use because the software is still so buggy, yeah, nah

nearly 3 years for nostr and it's still interop hell, lightning is 8 years and still interop hell

i've paid a lot for a bank that lets me move bitcoin in and out and spend it instantly without pre-exchanging it, i'm just gonna go with that for now

hopefully the channel peers who just closed on me closed properly and tomorrow or the next day it's all in my onchain, and i've got the same seed in a blockstream green install and the seed is saved and i'm moving it all back to my own node here running in the room behind me

my assessment of lightning right now is "still not mature enough to trust with any substantial amount of funds"

i'm not really surprised to be honest, i did a lot of work designing a messaging protocol for a tor-like anonymous proxy system https://github.com/indra-labs/indra and i never got to the point of connecting it up to LN using LND, because i already sorta was leery of the code quality and the reliability of the devs building it (roasbeef, mainly) and i know that source routing, which lightning is built on, is very poor at scaling, because of the liveness problem (it has very low availability guarantees)

i wish i could just sit down for a year and refactor and clean up LND, but now i'm building nostr things, and to hell with ecash, so, i'm now an onchain maxi for now, we got a long way before we have a competent noncustodial payment mechanism for bitcoin, which sucks, but this is reality

gojiberra 8mo ago

i have 200k sats in an alby hub cloud lighting channel. i just checked and they are still there... alhtough maybe this isn't considered a lightning channel just the Alby Go wallet.

i usually transfer to Blink for everyday spending however since that's what most people use where I am (and i can use the name tags).

Brian 8mo ago

https://arklabs.xyz/ ?

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 8mo ago

afaik not being used yet, still unstable and in development, and possibly unsuitable for micropayments

Brian 8mo ago

Let’s see. Give it some time.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 8mo ago

there just isn't enough brains on the job, on ark, on lightning, on nostr... to many preening, self important people on the payroll spending more time ensuring their tenure than producing a product

probably this will change when the dam breaks on bitcoin's price but the breakthroughs are not gonna come from the tenured handwavers

Brian 8mo ago

I agree with the last sentence. No opinion about the other things you mentioned.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 8mo ago

well, i've been building stuff for the last 7 years and had a lot of contact with those people and that's just my opinion, and nearly 3 years of nostr and i'm not finding any stability or joy in any of the clients, i'm getting pretty jaded

Brian 8mo ago

Goodmorning, do you have any idea how this could be done a better way?