i'm pretty much done with using lightning at this point

i have first hand experience trying to work with the LND people, i don't trust blockstream or any of rusty or nifty, alby has been pretty good but i think there is growing interop problems with LDK and others

actually, probably the only lightning server i have had consistently good experience with is acinq's phoenix and i'm pretty damn sure that this is an interop bug caused on the LDK side

and java, *cough* java, just no, i'm not running a java lightning node

so i'm out