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We just got a pretty major grant from a thing called Octant and the Ethereum Foundation to produce a documentary about the DOJ‘s case against Roman Storm.

Probably gonna get lynched for this, but I think we need to talk.

While we are grateful for every donation, over the past ~1.5 years we received noticably less donations in Bitcoin than we received in ETH, Zcash and Monero over the course of just a few months - while our main audience *are* bitcoiners.

The only way I can explain this to myself is that there seems to be an issue with the general mentality of trying to keep your bitcoin to yourself, which results in a significant lack of support for others - and it makes me really sad.

The way the Ethereum community is supporting the tornado cash developers is nothing short of extraordinary. Compare that to our support of Samourai, who collected a mere few 100k, while Roman Storm raised millions to fund his case.

At the same time we end up wondering why most people in bitcoin are retarded orange tie maxis that treat BTC like just another stonk, and why its use as a tool for the people falls more and more behind in the global narrative.

Its time we start taking better care of each other in this space, and I hope that next time one of us is criminally indicted, we support them with all that we have.

Sven 2mo ago 💬 6

What bothers me about this note is that I see so many high-profile Nostr users calling out to the community for help so many times. But when I take their npubs and put them into nostr:nprofile1qqsgrz3ekhckgg6lscj5kyk2tph0enqljh5ck3wtrjguw8w9m9yxmksppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qyvhwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnndehhyapwwdhkx6tpdshslyy804, it seems like they never zap. Lola, as much as I respect your work, you've received 4 million zaps but haven't sent even 1,000. I make a shitty podcast, and I have an average income. And I zapped way more than you did with a low-key profile here on Nostr. If nostr:nprofile1qqsqfjg4mth7uwp307nng3z2em3ep2pxnljczzezg8j7dhf58ha7ejgprpmhxue69uhhqun9d45h2mfwwpexjmtpdshxuet5qyt8wumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnswf5k6ctv9ehx2aqnz0fd0 or nostr:nprofile1qqsywt6ypu57lxtwj2scdwxnyrl3sry9typcstje65x7rw9a2e5nq8spramhxue69uhky6t5vdhkjmndv9uxjmtpd35hxarn9ehkumrfdejsz9thwden5te0v4jx2m3wdehhxarj9ekxzmnytjq0jg called me for zaps, I'd usually zap!

I will do as you do, not as you say!

Don't get me wrong! I admire your work. But don't you think that other things on Nostr are valuable, too?

I hate to be the snitch, but... It's our job! Remember: Don't trust, verify!

https://nostr.band/npub1mznweuxrjm423au6gjtlaxmhmjthvv69ru72t335ugyxtygkv3as8q6mak?overview=zaps-sent

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chancellor 2mo ago 💬 1

Of course she doesn't. She's just here for the sats and rage bait.

She knows what this note will generate.

Sven 2mo ago 💬 2

I hope you are wrong. I think better of her.

chancellor 2mo ago 💬 1

So you have evidence, you just don't believe it.

The influencers in this space have become extraordinarily skilled at grifting while wearing shirt and tie or whatever clownsuit gets the masses to support them. She can sit and make broad, sweeping accusations and insults about "what most people are" but she can't answer your question honestly without breaking character.

That's what she is. A character. A paid one.

Sven 2mo ago 💬 2

I will make your words and take them as a filter moving forward

Sven 2mo ago

Take* 🤣

chancellor 2mo ago 💬 1

It's tough man. We live in a physical world but we are forced to view it digitally. Discernment becomes the greatest asset and too many heroes are turning up villains.

Enjoy your day!

Sven 2mo ago

You too good Sir!

Tauri 2mo ago

Never put your fate in people that take grants from shitcoiners.

Tauri 2mo ago 💬 10

I call these people zap whores.

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Matt 2mo ago

Yep

L0la L33tz 2mo ago 💬 4

Hi Sven, thanks for the engagement. Going by your post stating that you have an "average income," seeing on your profile that you are a father, and additionally seeing how you describe your own podcast as "shitty," I take it that your podcast is not how you pay your bills or provide for your family, and that you have another source of income.

This may come as a total surprise to you Sven, but some people out here do not contribute to the bitcoin space as a hobby, but as a full time job – which includes taking a massive amount of risk, which you, again going by your own statements, do not appear to have been willing to take. No shame in that, but maybe a good time to check your privilege and see whether that really puts you in a position to judge those who have.

I, and I am sure many other creators you are referencing in your post here, actually live off of bitcoin; Zaps are not some fun way to boost engagement for us, but another way to pay our bills. Contrary to you, we support the bitcoin ecosystem and services/projects we find valuable every time we spend our money, not by sending someone 2 cents on a tipping protocol.

You're free to disagree with that, but I hope it helps you understand where many of the creators you are referencing here are likely coming from.

L0la L33tz 2mo ago 💬 1

Took the liberty to paste your npub into nostrband as well here, Sven.

Going by these stats, you spent 86k sats in the ~one year of your nostr journey. Seeing how you equate zapping to supporting the ecosystem, I'll assume that this is the primary way for you to spend your bitcoin for things that you find valuable (please correct me if I'm wrong).

To clear up any misconceptions, and not to brag but to maybe put things into perspective for you from the position of someone who lives off bitcoin, I've spent more than five times that amount of sats today alone supporting projects/services/people that are valuable to me, simply because bitcoin is what I use as a day-to-day currency.

So Sven, please do get back to me when you can have a serious conversation about supporting other bitcoiners, and until then maybe try not to judge other people by how active they are in your favorite way of giving back, because that doesnt mean they dont.

Diacone Frost 2mo ago

🤷‍♂️

Sleventy3 2mo ago 💬 1

Perspective is key!

At first look, it seems one way,

Don't, be, quick, to judge

#haiku

Thanks for explaining yourself.

If this is all in truths. I respect you're path.

I have no idea about your tech world. So it is nice to Gain perspective.

L0la L33tz 2mo ago

✌️

Sven 2mo ago 💬 1

Lola,

After you received so many negative comments here, I wanted to be polite in my response, yet still point out the inconsistency of your questioning the willingness of others to donate while not donating on Nostr yourself. (At least, not visibly on Nostr.)

Since neither of us knows how much BTC the other has spent outside of Nostr, I just pointed out Nostr. I can't verify your claim that you paid 400k sats today, and I don't actually care if it's true. (Maybe you have a spending problem and not a donation problem?)

My whole point was about the projects and its value on Nostr. Just the things we can see. Proof of work, not proof of word.

But now that you're bringing up the typical American "check your privilege" nonsense bullshit, you've lost me.

No one is forcing you to work on a donation system. No one forces you to work for Bitcoin — whatever that means. Bitcoin doesn't care if you exist. It doesn't care about me either.

If you think it's a hobby of mine, that's fine. Then I'll say it's a hobby of yours as well since, as far as I know, you're not a core developer or a coder.

But if you think receiving regular payments is a privilege, then go work at McDonald's!

Go and claim your own privilege!

L0la L33tz 2mo ago 💬 1

So your podcast is your primary source of income?

Sven 2mo ago 💬 1

I never claimed that. My full-time job is my main source of income.

L0la L33tz 2mo ago 💬 1

Then how is your podcast not your hobby?

Sven 2mo ago 💬 1

I never denied that. However, if you think the podcast is my only contribution to Bitcoin, you're mistaken.

L0la L33tz 2mo ago 💬 1

So your primary source of income - which from what I gather is as a state employed teacher - Ill assume is not paid in bitcoin.

And you started this conversation trying to measure how people give back to the bitcoin ecosystem what they receive by what I pointed out as a complete nonsense metric when compared to people who live on bitcoin, like those creators you pointed out.

Which lets you resort to „get a job at mcdonalds if you want regular payments“ - which you presumably typed on a computer funded with someone elses tax money, written from an apartment funded with someone elses tax money, bitching about bitcoin you bought with someone elses tax money.

Mmh yeah I think Im done here lmao. Thanks Sven!

Clayton 2mo ago 💬 1

Nah you lost this one badly Lola. You called people out for not donating and you don’t donate yourself. You told Sven to check his privilege? No wonder you like the ETH foundation grants. Those are your people, not bitcoiners.

Clayton 2mo ago 💬 1

You lost the argument when you said “check your privilege”

Sven 2mo ago

That's when she lost me.

elsat 2mo ago 💬 2

Zaps are great.

There are people who dedicate years of their lives to the space. Lola is one. Let’s appreciate that.

L0la L33tz 2mo ago

Popular opinion, everything should have zaps 🤘

Tauri 2mo ago

Wish she had some integrity too.

MAHDOOD 2mo ago 💬 1

I think that if she were to donate, she may use monero.

L0la L33tz 2mo ago

XMR anywhere ecash/Lightning is not available 🤘