Don't assume everyone who's been involved for a long time is "up a gazillion %". It might be a lot rarer than you think.

The *last* thing i want to give any newcomer into this, if we mean as an investment, is psychological comfort.

They themselves might, over time, find that comfort and I'm all for helping people with education.

But selling it to people, marketing it, convincing them with concepts like guaranteed cycles, or guaranteed anything ... I'm dead set against that.

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jeeez, i was just being hyperbolic, being at a simple 10x during a bear market does wonders taking the edge off is all i am saying (being up 10x during the bull does not count).

Well sure but I'm dead serious. I think proselytising bitcoin is bad, not just "it doesn't end up helping that much", but it's actually bad, or at least counterproductive