I get your point but you are not going to win a fight against a billion dollar propaganda machine.

You d be better off exposing the bs instead of playing along with their game.

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We are Bitcoiners. Just as you can't stop Bitcoin, you can't stop our engagement. 😉

In the end the shift to clean energy is inevitable for economic reasons already. The rest of the environmental pollution is caused by the corrupt fiat system.

So, eventually as long as we build on Bitcoin, the climate crisis will resolve no matter if the dire predictions are true or not.

The only way we can not survive climate change is by doing what the Davos and FFF people suggest.

I really don't agree that climate change is as big as they say and don't agree on the impact they claim humans have

We would be better off cleaning up plastics and planting trees than we are fighting cowfarts. Their whole narrative is shaky af. They use 10% truth and 90% lies to sell you a narrative that is pushed by fear.

One thing you are right about, the last thing we need to do is follow a set of rich folks and bankers and think they suddenly care about the environment.

O also, the fiat system is a prime mover as you say.

It was big oil themselves that made a policy change to shift their income away from gasoline/combustion engine. They are set on having it come from plastics and petrochemicals.

We are not going to clean up plastics before we under undermine the power they are allowed to siphon from the fiat system.

I get somewhat triggered by eco activists that think it was the people that caused the shift from gas-powered to ('green') battery powered, it's the same investment company just shifting tactics. They still hold the most sway over our politics as they have alway done.

All the other things you mentioned are just as important. That is why we need a disinflationary economy like Bitcoin could make possible.

Inflationary vs. disinflationary economy

I'm probably preaching to the choir but

Inflationary money incentivises it being wasted asap instead of hodl'd. And yes, it might speed up investment and the rate of change in society but what you want is the quality of that change/investment to matter more. I mean, what good is change if it leads to pollution and war?

Besides, the flow through channel of all that money holds the 'voting' power(bankers). That needs to shift back to the individual. (Assuming we can trust the average individual with that responsibility. But, if you assume they can't, they will never learn)

I almost agree Michael, but there are good people at FFF too! :)

I disagree. 99% of the good people have left FFF.

Did myself after giving a presentation on integrated energy systems and how decentralized energy can create clean abundance.

Reaction was overwhelmingly negative. They want authoritarian rule and control over others.

Those who are freedom minded have gone elsewhere.

That may be the case, but new ones are being added, and there are even some Bitcoiners there now.

What do Bitcoiners do there? If the concept of the org is to want deindustrialization over real solutions, we have no place there.

And also we don’t need any orgs.

Decentralization for the win.

Some of the FFF people are convinced that an inflationary economic system is part of the environmental damage the world is experiencing. This thought led them to Bitcoin.