You don’t need to do liquidity management to use lightning.

Educate yourself.

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Could you drop a link or sketch out the answer because AFAIK that's not true (except for custodial wallets)

Just open channels randomly and use them. Or use an autopilot. Liquidity management helps you optimize things like success rate and fees but not necessary at all.

People just like to complain.

Well, you can use an LN wallet like Blixt, OBW, Phoenix or Breez and it will open channels for you automatically. But you won’t have to do “liquidity management”. That’s why the LSP concept exists.

If you aren't smart about it in Phoenix you pay a lot of fees, and imho it wasn't well explained in the onboarding process when I started using Phoenix recently. Also, you can't receive zaps to Phoenix or any of the others you listed.

You’re moving the goalpost.

I’m only refuting the claim that you need to do “liquidity management” to use Lightning non-custodially.

To not have onerous fees, you do

Onerous fees = nonstarter

No, it’s not. And that is an extremely stupid claim considering the cut some of the custodial wallets take.

You gotta be kidding me

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Fees are part of the existing goalpost.

I would love to learn more about blixt. I will dig in.

That’s true. You did mention fees for Phoenix.

I suppose it’s a trade-off for using non-custodial wallets.

Especially considering they have to deal with on-chain transactions.

Lmao again, you are moving the goalpost.

And no you’re still wrong. You can use my wallet Blixt Wallet, which is pretty clear and honest about the LSP services.