Out of context quote of the day.

St Augustine is critical of having kids, houses, and praises singles who are not "entangled in the bonds of marriage"...

How does he expect humans to survive for the next 1700 years?

"There are the weaker brothers, in the married state, who have children or look to have them, who are masters of houses and households, the Apostle addresses them in the churches, teaching them and warning them how they ought to live, wives with husbands and husbands with wives, children with parents and parents with children, servants with masters and masters with servants. Such men are eager to acquire many of this world's temporal goods, and grieve to lose them, and for that reason they have not the heart to offend men whose lives of shame and crime they detest. But they are not alone.

"Even those who have a higher standard of life, who are not en- tangled in the bonds of marriage, who are content with little food and scanty clothing, are often fearful of attacks by the wicked upon their reputation and their safety, and so refrain from reproaches...(City of God, Book I Chapter 9)

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The context is actually that he's mentioning that those people with families and houses tend to be afraid to protest because they are dependent on the system.

yeah, this is where the meme comes from in They Live "Marry and Reproduce" sign

but that is a script that is being abandoned for the "indulge your most mundane, childish identity fetish" these days, because they want people to go homo and not have babies

yeah, he was mentioning it in the context of not being afraid to die for your principles, and how it's easier to stand up for your principles if you have nothing to lose including family.

I just thought it was funny to link the two extremes that have the same "SINK"(DINK) message .

yeah, the real substance of the situation is a lot more complex than the left/right divide

i can make arguments in both directions but i definitely argue against it if the woman drags you down to simple hedonism, this is not what life is for, this leads to decay and short lifespans and bad decisions, and on the other side, the ideals can be an unreasonable mistress as well

Ideals as a mistress.... It's so true

Tell that to the paranoid crypto anarchists :-D

i'm one of them... my distrust of government and title and prestige are so great that i'm able to settle with either the monastic, or late flowering options, i probably should root for myself a bit more lol

Wasn't it Augustine that got the monasteries going? Idk, maybe someone else... I think there's value in having a group of men outside of normal society, subject to totally different incentives.

I wouldn't be surprised if it were him. He had mistress and a kid in his 20s before his conversion.

I can see value in monasteries as well. I didn't previously, but about 2 years ago, I visited a monastery and I was surprised by some of the answers the Catholic monk gave us.

The truth resonates somehow, even when it's uncomfortable and from unexpected places.

He was especially interested in Buddhism and had spent time in India. If I remember correctly he had worked on some Hindu/Catholic/Buddhist peace initiatives back in the 70s or so. Apparently there was some violence at the time.

Belief systems...kinda like operating systems. The atheists are like, why can't we all just run Linux.

I'm at the point where I'm wondering if I have a choice in the matter of belief systems. Is it somehow genetic.

Of course you have a choice. If its genetic, then what do people with mixed heritage do? Maybe they slip through the cracks and fall forever... Aaaaahhhhhhh.....!!...

I'm not of the opinion that there's one "correct" belief system. Truth exists, so it can stand forever without the belief of people, and is always there to be discovered. And whatever the truth of spiritual matters is, it can't be exactly as presented - at best it can be orthogonal to what's presented, possibly orthogonal to all traditions.

IMO there's no deep contradiction between the dharmic religions and Christianity. I believe Buddhists when they say that meditation can make you a better Christian. And both the Pentacostals and the Sufis have found a spiritual path in ecstatic dance. Why not be all of these religions? Or take what you need and make your own thing. This will probably trigger some evangelists... I just think the Spirit is knownable to anyone, regardless of whether they've read this or heard that. Its all the spirit.

i'm a fan of taoism, buddhism and sufism... i like and intermittently practise ecstatic dance... "but the people are retarded" guy, Osho, that was his prescribed form of meditation, his system was largely based on zen buddhism

also a big fan of the african style of worship, with the singing and dancing

i'm inclined to think that it's the blind men and the elephant with God... everyone sees different parts, reflections of themselves, but none of them are complete

If money and age weren't a problem, I'd probably check into a monastery and be a monk for a couple of years. I like the fight-dance-meditate style of those taoists in the wudang mountains

yeah i'm a huge fan of that style indeed

this discussion of the matter of monasticism does kinda ring some bells for me these days, since i think i'm in the late days of my viability as a potential father... not gonna let that go until it's unrealistic but i know it's not many years before it's gonna take a lot more luck to find something other than a crone

I already feel that way and I'm way younger than you! Just gotta get out of America... Dating is just absurd here.

yeah, it's been a mess everywhere in the world in the last 12 years

literally every woman i've had dealings with in the last 16 years or so have been fruity as christmas cake... there's something really wrong with the world these days

i'm literally thinking, probably no chance at all but better chance to find a woman in a church at this point, not that i'm thinking "oh yeah that's the place to find them" in as much as i want to go to a church anyway, for various reasons aside from that silly one, but hey, i mean, i think the first commandment in the bible is "go forth and multiply" so, traveling and getting married are two definite requirements

i know a gal who's been looking and it seems like the problem she has is the exact inverse. dudes she meets don't add a lot of value. after late 30s, she's already built a life, house, etc, so it's actually hard to find someone who measures up to that level of success.

one dude just looked at her like a cash machine

the next one liked her a lot but wanted her to do all the traveling to go see him. she likes to travel all over, but he couldn't coordinate a simple trip beyond inviting her to his hometown.

i feel a certain level of freezing into my own routines to the point of it being exclusionary to other people. I still hang out with friends that I met in college, or who are very aligned to my personality.

church does seem like a good place to check in. and hopefully the gal is also seeking and ends up at the same church.

yeah, i think this is low key one of the functions of churches... it's a nice, formal, neutral context where mundane conviviality is eschewed in favour of meditation and reverence, and i think this also is conducive to good contacts between men and women

i have heard of people talking to buddha and jesus on a trip

nah, atheists want us to all run Windows... Catholics want Windows 3.1... christians, taoists, buddhists, sufi, muslims, most jews... they wannan linux