so what are people thinking, politically here? centre-left allowed? 😅
I’ve seen some pretty far right stuff
not very into politics, but I do get sick of seeing the same far right stuff
#nostr #asknostr #politics
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The politics of nostr are voluntaryism and GFY.
Some folks bring their fiat baggage with them.
You do what you want 🤝.
I’m pretty far out. 
It's mostly boring libertarians here lol. Where are these right wing people? 👀
Are you from Bluesky? Did you get mass muted for being a liberal, maybe lol? ;)
There's a significant amount of Nostr that is just happy to see posts that aren't just mentioning the price of bitcoin. So you will be welcomed here lol:)
The fundementals of this platform merely appeals to the libertarian. For instance I am right of total government control and would be happy with a very small government. I don't appeal to government for all my solutions but I am a socialist and feel that a great role of government would be to do what Abraham Lincoln did and issue credit to fund projects to make our lives better! So am I left or right? No I am on a different scale. There is no left or right. Only good or evil.
I love privacy apps but they tend to brin two kinds if people. People who live in opressed countries and can speak freely, and peopke who live. In free countries but are always banned for being rasist or calling for violence. In nostr, opressed people tall their native language and the angry racists speak enlish
whats not allowed on nostr? lol bring your 'centre-left' friends or 'not-very-into-politics' friends here and build your community
I started using nostr:npub1wmr34t36fy03m8hvgl96zl3znndyzyaqhwmwdtshwmtkg03fetaqhjg240 ‘s thing which crossposts to Twitter. But I’m more focused on Bluesky to be honest. It’s still locked-open, but (at the moment) it’s just easier for people to signup to, for example with starter packs.
Nostr probably has the highest concentration of libertarian-types of any social media out there. A lot of ancaps.
It certainly could use a little more variety, but I'm hopeful. Its hard to find non-bitcoin related content initially, but hashtags are your friend
It most certainly is allowed.
Any political view at all is allowed, in fact, who would censor you?
I’m pretty lefty myself and what I’m doing with protest.net is a leftist project. I think you’re right the the dominant ideology here on Nostr is right leaning. If that’s the only space which can exist on Nostr then it’s a failure. The protocol needs to be able to exist with many communities who don’t need to agree or even see each other.
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As I've read more about the history of the internet and digital spaces, I am beginning to think that there's something inherently leftist about the internet. Or at least, the dominant culture of nostr isn't traditional right, it's more of a libertarian right, which creates lots of problems that can only be solved either through top-down structures or grassroots collectivism. Of course the former is not palatable in our current authoritarian political context, and so resorting to traditionally collectivist institutions for taming wild individualism is all that's left.
I agree nostr:npub1jlrs53pkdfjnts29kveljul2sm0actt6n8dxrrzqcersttvcuv3qdjynqn, I see the way we avoid top down centralization in a social space is by creating voluntary bottom up grassroots collectivism.
Honest question because my chipmunk brain doesn't compute this: what does "voluntary bottom up grassroots collectivism" mean? I'm guessing you mean people working together open sourcey to build something (nostr) so as to avoid something like ISP run internet or Facebook-like social media? The "collectivism" word is what makes me nervous.
I get it. Authoritarians use the term collectivism for a kind of top down control of other people in a way that ends up abusive. What I mean is you’re voluntarily able to choose what collectives you want to participate in as a way of solving problems, organizing work, and resources together. In this case often this is the informal social labor of sustaining an online community like inviting people, welcoming them, setting norms, and in cases where it’s needed moderation. In the case of a fediverse server you end up stuck, they own your content, connections, and identity itself. That’s not voluntary because you can’t leave or fork the community. With subreddits you have a bit more agency but there’s still the issue of the mods being whoever created the subreddit or their self appointed successors.
With Nostr we can have groups and communities which exist as something more than a network of individuals, a collective as it were, but where participation in the larger network is locked open and permissionless. If you don’t like a group on Nostr you can much more established fork the group, or make your own relay. The awesome thing is users who want can put the same post in both the original and forked group.
I use the example of the meth users and anti-woke meth users subreddits. 99% of posts are just about using meth, and should easily be able to exist in both places at the same time. But some posts might be about politics and should only be in one or the other. In Nostr we can do that. Plus we can also make encrypted groups for people who want to have some privacy with then do their illegal drug advocacy and mutual aid.
what is wrong with politics is that justice is a jurisprudence problem, and the best solution is a market solution of competing judges, just like what was in Jericho for (supposedly) 9000 years
most of the "left" are on about justice, isn't it?
do the "left" have a monopoly on leaderless organisations? i doubt it, i think stalin was pretty far left too, and actually though many designate literal hitler as right, he was very fond of the government regulating things, and what was the purpose?
oh yeah, justice
the left wants justice, the right wants freedom
where is the conflict between these two things unless you invert these two concepts?
Funny, I would have said the opposite. The right wants law and justice, the left wants freedom. But it all depends on the definition of those terms, which makes it hard to even talk about. I think a better distinction is that the left is visionary/utopian while the right is stagnant/realistic. Utopianism tests new ideas, but the thesis always collapses as reality modulates it. Leftism is unstable and dangerous if it fails to learn from history, but the progressive impulse is really a valuable thing. Maybe China has it right; they are extremely authoritarian and stable in the mainland, but use Hong Kong as a playground for economic innovation, that they can then import as it proves itself.
the separation, caused by the human tendency to want everything to be an eye, or everything to be the heart, instead of understanding the way parts make up the whole body, creates the camps in which disfunction thrives.
(Apostle Paul paraphrase)
yeah, the progressive/conservative side of it is probably the most important
left tends to progressive, and this makes it vulnerable to the erasure of history... i could talk about the problems of the "adding features" side of the engineering form of this mentality
right is more practical, and this is why the modern right is what used to be called left, the liberal, and freedom oriented
there's a lot of moving parts to this but i think fundamentally the thing about modern leftism focuses on equity, which is literally a law concept
and the right focuses on freedom and privacy, and that is somewhat contrary to statism, so i'd say that leftism is also more statist than right
the left right thing is retarded anyway, it's part of the vulnerability of humans to manipulation, we have on one side, reason, and forward time, and on the other, creativity and reverse time
the two things are in constant conflict with each other, inherently
Amen 🙏
hmmm interesting take and you are probably right. It might be a bit more nuanced than that. I'd probably call myself progressive left. There's a theory that the progressive left died in the 60s with 4 assasinations in 5 years. 80% of people no longer trust their politicians. I'd say I'm in that group. And most of nostr is, because most people are. On top of that there is a push to label many things, including truthful things, as misinformation, if they dont go with establishment narratives. I think people on nostr appreciate that too. Unsure if it amounts to right leaning, but DJT is running on a narrative of taking on the establishment. Of which he's part of course. So perhaps he gains some sympathy here.
I like how the left thinks we are right and the right thinks we are left.
Sir we are not right or left; we are correct. Get with the program.
nostr:npub1fgnuaulzmkpnpe8jy843hf7lhwefh5xyejl5s4307ajw25tgrlssxnyj2h I’m not sure ‘neither left nor right’ is really a political position you should take without knowing it’s history.
That is why we are not left or right.
We are correct.
It's not the only ideology on Nostr, there are others. But you're not so well connected here. I somewhere read that the lefts are losing the PR battle against the rights wings, because they are so poorly connected and they are separated from each other because of the smallest differences of opinion. Don't know if that plays a role here.
In any case, as a member of another alternative worldview, I know that one must actively work on the connections. At least in this early phase still.
I don't know. I mind my own business and do community stuff when it's worth it but
I do see a lot of right with very minimal left.
Lefty here 👋
Why the emoji? I don’t read emoji well
As an old school emo 🖤 that’s hilarious
Must find a dictionary for emojis
Well that didn’t work to find it 😂
POLITICS? That’s a thing here. For sure.
Some are cliquish AF and they seriously only follow people if they believe that the other
entity ( as some are #AI , alts , both etc )
going to offer them some sort of benefit. It’s freaking disgusting. 🤢 meaning use #Love #Happiness oh yeah, they’re called hashtags use those if you want to find people that you’re more like-minded with that seems to be the easiest way
All types welcome here! Don’t forget that unlike other platforms, it’s up to you to use the mute button liberally and try to find clients that help you curate a strong social graph
there are lefties in here please dont leave
I've identified as a libertarian in the past, so I'm socially liberal, but fiscally conservative.
there's no such thing as allowed or not allowed. follow, unfollow, and block liberally to curate the feed you want to see. if you get the vibe that you aren't allowed, tell them to go fuck themselves
For instance I muted 4 or 5 people in this thread as they revealed themselves to be statists. I don't have time for that nonsense
It’s not about left or right. But about top or down. With Nostr the only way is to the top 🤓🫡
Unfortunately, #Nostr is currently an epistemic bubble and an echo chamber of #bitcoin advocates and right-wingers. I'm the opposite of that: politically I'm left-wing and economically I'm skeptical of bitcoin, preferring fiat currency. Moreover, Nostr lacks #LGBT people and communities.
Nostr is open for all. You’re welcome to start and popularize any community you’d like. The main point is that no one can stop you here, while on traditional platforms narratives are pushed in a top -to-bottom manner, and if you’re not mainstream, you get shadow banned.
So, back to your point: while Nostr was created and is developed by mostly bitcoiners and people who are convinced that current system is broken, there is space for everyone.
Bring the lefties and LGBT people, discuss whatever you find interesting, start your relay, grow your community, debate the right-wingers and anarchists.
Open dialogues is how people discover the truths.
That’s the way.
Of course! Nostr is open to everyone. But when the majority on #Nostr are extreme right-wing libertarians and only talk about bitcoin, that alienates a significant number of people, preferring more pluralistic networks like #bluesky or #mastodon.
You prefer currency debasement? Interesting.
The security of the oceans that enable trade is not due to bitcoin but to the dollar.
The dollar is imaginary money. Look at the prices of goods in dollars over time vs their prices in gold over time.
The only true money is gold, but gold mining will increase. Value is subjective, the dollar doesn’t give any value to Bitcoin.
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What's so funny?
Your take of Nostr.
Why is that so funny?
Nostr is a decentralised protocol, you make it what you wish. Go make it as you wish, stop whining. I’m in my 50s, all my life in entertainment industry surrounded by gay people. I’ve never come across any that are like the modern era where we suddenly all have to be obsessed with people’s orientation. Just get on with life and chill the fuck out
Let me make this clear. The Nostr protocol is excellent! My criticism is not directed at the technical aspect of the protocol itself. It's more about the content and the lack of diversity on Nostr. What's trending on #Nostr? Almost always just things related to bitcoin. And that puts people off. We need a more inclusive network that covers all kinds of subjects, from culture, literature, cinema, politics, news, etc. Otherwise we fall into an epistemic bubble and an echo chamber about bitcoin, bitcoin, bitcoin.
That’s not Bitcoiners’ fault. Bitcoin generally pushes all tech as it’s full of great people. You need to attract more of your interest here. Bitcoiners are f’ing bored with all the wokery. Most want systemic change across the board. There are plenty of gay Bitcoiners I’m sure. I don’t care what people do in their private lives. Bitcoin is a massive topic that opens many conversations, fixation on left / right straight / gay is dull as fuck. We all want a world where we just get on with life
Please start some discussions. Nostr is for all!
The Nostr protocol is excellent! My criticism is not directed at the technical aspect of the protocol itself. It's more about the content and the lack of diversity on Nostr. What's trending on #Nostr? Almost always just things related to bitcoin. And that puts people off. We need a more inclusive network that covers all kinds of subjects, from culture, literature, cinema, politics, news, etc.
Sure but those things you mention start with people and you’re a person, so you can start them. Who else if not us?
More diverse opinions would be great! 👍
I agree but also ngmi
disagree but also ngmi
my feed has all that he says nostr's lacking 🧐
Really? We should make a list here of accounts that don't talk about bitcoin and aren't right-wing.
maybe someone did one already at https://listr.lol , those can be copied and forked; as for the communities, they are better displayed at https://satellite.earth on which you can also create yours ;) all those latter appear automatically at https://nostrudel.ninja all of course, by using your same nkeys 🤙
Welcome to the real world and not some censored echo chamber where average people appear to be right-wing to some newbies.
Nostr might be considered progressive in the sense of news or "conspiracy theorists" trying to get away from big tech censorship and government tyranny. Yes topics could range from politics to homesteading.
If your feed sucks, just find better people to follow. Welcome to the world!
I also prefer to be defrauded through my money and forced to pay for things I don’t agree with. 😆😘
Jokes aside, Nostr is open to everyone and there’s no way to exclude anyone from using it. You or anyone else can start a community around whatever you like.
The security of the oceans that enable trade is not due to bitcoin but to the dollar.
Friendly advice on how to win friends and influence people (on nostr):
Show Real Interest: People love to talk about themselves—ask questions, listen, and engage.
Smile (Digitally Too!): Positive vibes are contagious. Use friendly emojis or uplifting words online.
Use Names & Tags: Tagging someone or using their name in comments is like a digital high-five.
Be a Good Listener: Don’t just wait to reply; actually read and engage with what others are saying.
Make People Feel Valued: Genuine compliments go a long way. Don’t overdo it, but make others feel seen.
Avoid Criticism: Public shaming? Not cool. Handle disagreements respectfully and privately if possible.
Find Common Ground: Start with what you agree on before diving into differences. Build bridges, not walls.
Own Your Mistakes: If you mess up, admit it. People respect honesty more than perfection.
Encourage Small Agreements: Start with points of agreement in a debate to build momentum in conversation.
Appeal to Their Interests: Frame your ideas in a way that aligns with their passions. It’s all about win-win.
Original account already deleted?
Nostr lacks any communities or topics really. Besides bitcoin, arguable Meshtastic/radio and permaculture. I think this is a problem for a lot of twitter alts (I know nostr is trying to be more than that, as a protocol).
I mostly agree, although it is predominantly libertarians here. The right/conservative are mostly on twitter and don't care about / never heard of Nostr, or also find it too much of a libertarian and bitcoin echo chamber.
Welcome to the real world and not some censored echo chamber where average people appear to be right-wing to some newbies.
Nostr might be considered progressive in the sense of news or "conspiracy theorists" trying to get away from big tech censorship and government tyranny. Yes topics could range from politics to homesteading.
If your feed sucks, just find better people to follow. Welcome to the world!
There's no such thing as left and right. If you identify as either you are dumb. But anyone can use nostr so there will be dumb people here like everywhere else, unfortunately
That is so dumb
Historically centre-left here, but since I'm on nostr, maybe I'm not? As with your political views, what you see on nostr is up to you, you can curate your own feed, so just mute whatever you don't prefer to see. And I guess there will be optional algos going forward, that does the work for you.
I am essentially as far right as possible. On the political spectrum I am bottom right corner, meaning I believe in personal liberty and free markets, historically liberal positions.
Modern liberalism is not remotely liberal. The authoritarians appropriated the name
Let’s remember that nazism is leftism. It was called right wing by the communists who were further left. National socialism is left of libertarianism and liberal democracy.
what podcast did you hear this on?
I didn’t. You do realize national socialists were socialist, don’t you? They were authoritarian left
oh i see where you may have got that from...the 'socialist' in their name. you do know that parties and politicians often put ideas and principles in their party name that their policies and actions in fact diametrically oppose?
Their policies and actions were objectively socialist.
Read my note about it
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Should I mention communism which starved 10s of millions of people rather than ensuring any form of equity? Socialism is tyrannical by design. The utopian view of socialism is not tenable in a world of apes.
Why would you defend socialism?
I believe it was called 5th grade history class.
This is a great debate and I think the various opinions stated with full mutual respect here represents nostr well. 🫂
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