I really want to cut through the noise of this discourse and get at something you said, which I found really interesting. Mainly the idea of gender theory as envisioned by Judith Butler and others, becoming integrated into this emerging new capitalist order. It is perfectly true, in my estimation, that queer theory has no revolutionary impetus for addressing or challenging the system. I'm not discussing about the traditionalist system or the fascist system (which it definitely can subvert), but the essence of capital unleashed in the late 20th century. Queer theory and queerness has been absorbed by the system as has many other alternative lifestyles and counter-cultural movements throughout the 60s and 70s. With that being the case, we cannot dismiss the entire subject, but perhaps address the ways in which capital tries to subvert certain elements of queer theory that unleash new desires that can be exploited by capitalism. I'm sure it is very hard to see something that you truly believe has revolutionary potential go this path, but you must never forget that the arms and tentacles of capital stretch deeply into so many facets of society, and that mounting an obstacle towards it is so hard on so many levels these days. From my perspective, the best we can do now is to work towards capital's alignment with these beliefs to create civil liberties through bourgeois democracy. This will not be sufficient in creating large social change, but at the very least it will help to alleviate some of the repression faced by some people in certain contexts. I understand where you’re coming from, I really do. I had to come to terms with this fact last year as well. 🤝
this one is a classic example here in brazil, a nurse: https://twitter.com/rcruz80/status/1526904841909547013?s=46&t=9UybzH3ofqM2Stcuk28J-g
the hysteria is the same here. don’t get me wrong, my sister is queer, she’s married to a trans man, I’m butlerist myself. but as I’m seeing it, the reactionary part of the story is more and more on this side of the fence. we’re the ones asking for a new morality, a new dogma. we’re the ones asking for control and punitivism. we’re the ones forcing people to get vaxxed with an experiment. we’re the ones on big pharma/soros side. it seems like I’m living in a parallel universe. everything I’ve fought against my whole life is becoming “me”. there are religious people who will never accept some things, and this will never change. and we can’t complain about it anymore cuz well… here we are with our own particular dogmas and believes. “trust the science”. no, question the science. “regulate internet”. no, dude, internet was made to be free. we, the left, have become a bunch of “caga-regras”. and more and more, I’m certain that the main problem here is the metropolis model. as I’ve said many times here before, we need urban exodus urgently. we need to go back to small communities. we’re tribalists. there will always be this shit, ones against others and metropolis just makes it worse. you can’t change human nature, but you sure can change the environment. and then, finally, there’s soros. I’m writing an article about it, so I won’t extend it here, but the battle of seattle was the last great attempt to destroy the system. we ARE the system nowadays. cuz soros put billions and billions on our pockets to make it happen. I can’t be anything but against it all. in the name of our historical principles. which, btw, right is co-opting more and more.
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I will have to translate your tweet but ofcourse, if anyone actually got fired from their job for mistaking someone’s pronouns I would be opposed vehemently. I just was familiar with the panic in Canada around C-16 that to my knowledge has never actually happened. We should oppose all forms of inhumane rules and regulations that don’t take nuance into account.
not only get fired, you know. being canceled is totally against what we used to preach as well, butler was completely against cancel culture, she abhorred it. cuz it’s the typical thing that oppressors do. I don’t wanna be an oppressor. 🥴
Wasn’t butler all about discourse? That undermines that entirely. I think that in cancel culture in the form of mass reporting and outrage comes from a form of slave morality that we should be quick to call out.
look for her "Excitable Speech", it’s all there. totally against it. an excerpt poorly translated: "Stating that certain utterances are always offensive, regardless of context, that carry their contexts with them in ways that are difficult to describe, yet it is not understanding how context is invoked at the moment of utterance". there are more incisive parts I’m not finding rn. but while I agree with you I really don’t see it being called out, not until it’s too late and we’re totally enslaved. that’s the plan. as I’ve written during the pandemic: who is going to fight against control (of the state, of power etc.) if those who used to fight it now are the ones who demand it?
try to translate this article by a friend of mine, lygia maria, we used to protest together when we were kids, now she’s considered an alt-right by brazilian left and most of our friends quit talking to her, she’s columnist of folha de sp (which would make ME stop talking to her, lol) and hated by both sides: https://www.facebook.com/100006566658355/posts/pfbid0arYTpazSwzzXFM2hRUFphG2rEoapq6hb7M2LbzjtxLqsE3JsCXFAaWu2TbYuVXewl/?mibextid=Nif5oz
brazilian left had the audacity to cancel MBEMBE, I mean… wtf is wrong with these people?
"if anyone actually got fired from their job for mistaking someone’s pronouns I would be opposed vehemently ... that to my knowledge has never actually happened"
You didn't look far.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/peter-vlaming-transgender-student-lawsuit_n_5d9600bce4b02911e116d773
https://nypost.com/2022/10/28/coach-travis-allen-suspended-for-misgendering-trans-student/
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/may/19/indiana-counselor-sues-after-being-fired-over-crit/
That’s not accidentally misgendering that’s just refusing to gender correctly. For decades it was an insult to call a cis-man a “women, girl, sissy, etc.” That’s because it’s straight up disrespectful. And to do that to your students? God no.
Nope. It is refusing to gender INcorrectly.
You know what is disrespectful? Pretending to be something you're not, and then getting people who are actually the thing you're pretending to be fired from their jobs, censored and cancelled for calling you out on your lie.
Besides, calling a man a girl is disrespectful not because he's not a girl. It's disrespectful TO WOMEN because you are implying that women are weak and useless. Your new variety of far-left sexism is just as bad as it ever was when we were told to stay in the kitchen - arguably even worse, because now you're locking us up in there with entitled autogynephiles and pedophiles.
I see this isn’t going anywhere and have a good day. It must be fun holding such strong beliefs about people that don’t actually impact your life in any way.
aw, I see it as highly revolutionary, actually. butler is disciple of foucault, so both were totally against society of control. the revolution was in freeing the body of oppression, to begin with. and then… what do they do? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
they do precisely what butler warned about: the oppressed became the oppressor. and yeah, you’re right, they did the same in 60/70’s. but then: punk arose. and pre-queer along with it. velvet underground, ny dolls, stooges, all the glitter rock. it was all about freedom and fuck society of control. punk then became grunge, riot grrrrls, an organized movement. globalism (which encapsulates the worse of capitalism and the worse of socialism) will always try to survive and co-opt all our efforts. so shame on us who spread our legs for it. and I can’t see what you wrote anymore, wait haha
Muito interessante toda essa questão ideológica e filosófica.
Tive algum acesso a umas informações hoje sobre os globalistas estarem disseminando doenças e contaminação na comida e água, além de vacinas, pelo mundo, para reduzir a população e matar o maior número de pessoas possíveis.
E no emaranhado dos esquemas estão o surgimento e estímulo aos anticoncepcionais, a disseminação LGBT e outros meios de destruir paulatinamente os núcleos familiares para reduzir as taxas de natalidade e, consequentemente, a população.
pois é, é complicado isso. tô achando bem produtivas as conversas que venho tendo com a direita nos últimos dois anos. não que antes não existisse, pelo contrário. eu venho de uma família ultra católica, conservadora ao extremo, agro-capitalista de goiás (daí tu tira). e sempre tentei conversar com eles, sem êxito. daí meu espírito livre desde bem pequeno mesmo, me descobri um libertário aos 11. e sempre foi esse dilema na família (só de primos, são trinta), nos natais a gente até criou a brincadeira dos opressores e oprimidos, eu sempre do lado dos oprimidos. aí, de repente, de dois anos pra cá, eu comecei a concordar com meu primo que era o mais antagonista de todos. e a gente chegou à conclusão de que não tinha sido eu quem tinha mudado, mas ele e a direita, assim como a esquerda tinha mudado também, uns cooptando os princípios dos outros. palavras de ordem como “meu corpo, minhas regras” de repente foram abandonadas pela esquerda e adotadas pela direita, mas a certa altura destrocavam de novo dependendo da conveniência, de cada situação. eu acho, como escrevi dia desses aqui, que essa
divisão entre esquerda e direita tá chegando ao fim. antes da revolução francesa, éramos todos contra o absolutismo centralizado e totalitário do monarca. acho que a gente tá bem perto disso voltar a ser realidade de novo. independente disso, acho muito produtivo esse intercâmbio que rolou durante a pandemia, essa inversão de valores, pra que ambos os lados aprendam várias e várias lições. que os oprimidos de hoje (nas filas da vacina, por exemplo) não se tornem os opressores das festas de natal de ontem. a gente precisa acabar com isso. a gente precisa aceitar que nem todo mundo acredita no que a gente acredita e tá tudo bem porque, no fim, a gente vai morrer sozinho mesmo e, se for o caso, se salvar sozinho também. e único caminho pra essa salvação, seja o paraíso ou a entropia quântica, é o respeito, o amor, a aceitação do outro. a gente tá lutando por liberdade aqui. liberdade, igualdade, respeito. ou a gente para de brigar entre si ou eles vão passar com um trator por cima da gente. não tem outra opção. que seja o respeito, a união 🤝
Excelente. Minha única observação é a palavra igualdade. Igualdade é um perigo e tem sido usada (a palavra), para a promoção de absurdos mil.
Eu entendi o seu ponto perfeitamente. Adiciono este “alerta” porque se tem uma coisa que a revolução francesa deixou bem claro é que a “luta pela igualdade” é desculpa para atrocidades.
Orwell coloca muito bem no “uns são mais iguais que outros.” o perigo do conceito.
Então, apenas para pensarmos e termos cuidado ao falarmos em igualdade.
perfeito, ninguém é igual mesmo. que sejam respeitadas as desigualdades então, rui barbosa faz dobradinha com o orwell hahaha êxodo urbano, esse é o papo. acho que o russell brand tem essa mesma visão também, vou confirmar. mas justo por conta dessas desigualdades que o caminho são as tribos. não existe superpopulação, o que existe é má distribuição de gente. se realocar todo mundo em comunidades menores e afins, acabam-se os problemas (esses), que venham problemas novos 🫡
Boa! Vale notar que os eugenistas sabem muito bem quem eles querem eliminar.
Qualquer um que pesquise sobre o que defendiam abertamente há poucas décadas, percebe que continuam fazendo exatamente o que queriam, só que não alardeiam mais.
Os “indesejáveis” de ontem estão tendo seus genes marcados hoje, para extermínio amanhã.
total, não à toa os biolabs em território nazista na ucrânia, de onde possivelmente saiu esse vírus. enquanto isso, cancelam o monark por falar merda ao tempo em que batem palmas pra azov. tá tudo virado de ponta-cabeça.
disclaimer: monark, te amo, não deixa de me ler, tu sabe que falou merda e eu já te disse isso, águas passadas, quem nunca, sigamos haha
É o respeito e convivência com os diferentes é a base. Na verdade me considero cristão. Minha família é de origem afro e portuguesa ao que parece.
Mas não me identifico muito nem de um lado nem do outro em relação a direita e esquerda.
O que me identifica mais é a questão de ser contra a injustiça e opressão. A favor da liberdade. Dos direitos iguais. Do respeito.
Como minha visão de mundo está muito arraigada ao meu conhecimento de Bíblia, pra mim o problema principal é o homem em si.
A jornalista Cláudia que descobri esses dias e que é quem me trouxe aqui na verdade me levou a um doutor que publicou aí uma reflexão bem pertinente a esse respeito.
Ele diz que a nossa injustiça reside no fato de que a depender do nível de burrice a pessoa vai apresentar soluções melhores ou piores. E isso tem a ver com o lado negro dentro de nós.
Na minha visão o pecado é essa coisa odiosa que existe no homem e tende ao caos. Isso é a ideia da Bíblia. Vejo um paralelo com essa ideia do doutor onde as pessoas estabelecem algum tipo de padrão que determina o que é bom ou mal ou belo.
Sobre essa base se fazem julgamentos. Pra mim o padrão é uma pessoa: Cristo. E a medida que alguém está mais distante desse padrão se torna mais opressora e egocêntrica.
Agora em termos gerais a humanidade tem uma noção do que é justo e correto. Isso tem a ver com o respeito que você fala.
E essa questão do conhecimento também entra no mérito de quanto mais você conhece ou desenvolve inteligência vai ter maior compreensão e daí mais capacidade de propor soluções melhores.
No quesito da inteligência porém entra o caráter. Onde uma pessoa pode ser muito inteligente e ao mesmo tempo um tirano egoísta e opressor. E aqui voltamos ao padrão moral (ética, respeito, compaixão, humildade, solidariedade e etc.) estabelecido por Cristo.
O conhecimento proporciona poder, inteligência também. Mas tudo isso é nada sem amor, parafraseando o apóstolo Paulo.
nah, certeza. eu resumiria com:
inteligência <<<<< (1kx) caráter 🤝
Sorry for the late response as real life summoned me temporarily. But I would have to agree with you. Global capitalism is so good at commodifying and commercializing it’s own opposition. There’s a built in mechanism of transgression within capitalism (as zizek points out) that allows for people to performatively “resist” the global totality while actually operating well inside its boundaries.
that’s it. and it’s hard, so hard to break through those boundaries… the more privileges, the harder. while, in getting it, the more privileges it used to be, the freer. and even in a more sincere way. the secret is to break through and never look back, I guess. one can only resist him/herself.
My struggle right is knowing how one can even go about breaking through. I don’t see many paths forward so I am quite cynical about it at the moment. Radical shifts in consciousness are not what the masses will ever desire. They desire what capital channels back at them in the form of advertising and the like. They desire convenience and enjoyment.
and that’s why we must abolish masses. I was just watching last russell brand video, after months without watching it and it was precisely about population crisis, how we are decreasing in number. that’s not what I mean, but it’s directly correlated. just what I was saying the other day: we need to populate countryside, exit big cities and grow communities that share the same values. metropolis is death, man. and while we stay here (there, tho not everywhere), we’ll never get to break through indeed. system wants us piled up on each other and warring.
But also consider that class antagonisms (and I would say we are still in the class antagonism partially) can be effectively mobilized in cities in ways that the countryside is unable to mount. I think we must consider this parallel between urban and rural areas and create exchanges of individuals from community groups to experience other ways of living and report back. This urban/rural dialogue could be incredibly beneficial because I feel like this divide can particularly be felt in the modern era. We need an effective way of communicating between groups instead of narratives being formed about them.
I leave you with this idea: where there is a greater accumulation of class antagonisms the greater the disparity. From this: the greater the potential front of resistance we can mount. Just an idea tho.
just seen this (following the contend with the radfem, lol). I got your point, and if there’s no other way rather than being condemned to live in a smart city, then yeah. tho I honestly think it’d be helpless like it’s been since ever and the greater the resistance, the greater would be the control/oppression. I still bet on urban exodus, tho I know it’s way too utopian in a certain sense. perhaps doom is indeed the only future possible.
If there’s an urban exodus I honestly think it could be for the best. Don’t get me wrong. I grew up in a rural area my entire life and even hearing the noise pollution from cars is becoming a drain on my soul. I think cities are life sucking machines.