The one I just boosted is a fabrication?
I've been wrong about something and I'd like to show you what I've been wrong about. If you do not wish to see violence don't click the link I'll be posting below.
Due to recent discussions about ICE agents in Minneapolis (wearing masks, because that's somehow the worst part of the events... 🙄), I've been poking about the most infamous incident lately: the shooting of the woman driving the Honda pilot.
I broadly believed reports that the woman had hit the agent with her vehicle. If that was the case, it's clear cut self-defense.
However, on further review, this does not seem to be the case. As such, I have changed my opinion based on more facts and deem the actions of the agent to be outside the bounds of self defense and would label this as murder.
The video floating around, and that I've posted here on nostr showing a clear hit has been fairly certainly found to be a fabrication.
Below, you'll find a link to reddit. I know, I know... but it contains a video that is compiled and synced from videos that do seem to be legitimate, and they clearly show malice of forethought by the agent in question as he drew his weapon before the woman had turned her wheels to move her vehicle.
https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1q71k0w/all_angles_of_minneapolis_ice_shooting_synched/
As such, the agent broke with all known SOPs regarding firing at a "fleeing vehicle" thus, IMO, is guilty of murder, at least until I am presented evidence otherwise.
That being said, it doesn't change my opinion on:
-Agents wearing face coverings
-ICE is doing a job that is necessary as long as there are national borders and unwelcome, criminal miscreants
-Ending the welfare state will solve nearly all of these issues without the descent into martial law
-Agents of the government operating with carte blanche immunity will only be emboldened to do more of this
So, I was wrong, evidently, about this particular shooting which I will call a murder now. That's fine. (Me being wrong, not the murder.) I'm still open to discussing it and being presented with other evidence on either side. I'd even appreciate it.
Discussion
Which one did you boost?
That video is misleading, whether intentionally or not. It is a cellphone video, for one, and he is holding it about a foot in front of him (standard cellphone video position). When the car comes at him, it looks like it hits him because it goes *under* where he is holding the phone.
You can see him standing 12 inches away and leaning forwards during the first and second shots in the picture attached. Also, if he was really hit, he probably would have dropped his phone and / or at least limped away, but neither happened.
It was an optical illusion. When you take a slightly closer look and see how the trick was done, you can call it out.
https://cdn.nostrcheck.me/cb79422e4577cde3618226b6ae338e36e98cd70671024b8692e9e872a58bcb1c.webp
I can't zap you. Please fix that. This note is worth a chonky zap.
Ah, okay, interesting. Hmm.
This is a retarded take. The shooting officer had his cellphone in his right hand as he walked around the vehicle. Less than five seconds pass from phone in right hand to pulling gun. Training on avoiding getting pulled under a car is to shift weight onto hood to not have feet pulled under. The other officer has his arm in the car and is swung around, he could have easily been dragged by the car. This officer reaponded to protect his life and his fellow officers life. The driver under no circumstance has the right to drive away with an officer standing in front and to the side with them ordering her out of the car. Officers have every right to use force when threatened.
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What flavor leather is that boot? It must be your favorite to have it lodged so far down your throat.
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Doesn't seem to be the case from what I've seen.
I don't see why so many want to make this dude a hero. Really... Why?
It was, at the least, an overreaction and unprofessional.
Sort of to be expected, tho, when a job is so difficult and unpleasant, that it becomes hard to find anyone willing to do it. The hiring standards sink and the employees feel like they work in a war zone and are constantly on edge. Sort of like being a cop in Baltimore. Or working for the fire department in Hamburg.
Working for ICE is now probably more dangerous than joining the Marines.
Yup.
Not a hero, also not a murderer.
Agree on the first, disagree on the second.
Can we move along now?
Murder requires malice and aforethought. He didn't pick her out weeks ago and stalk her around and wait to attack her, or something.
This looks more like a lesser degree of manslaughter, at the most.
I don't agree. Second-degree seems like the most reasonable designation. He chose to pull out his sidearm and shoot her multiple times.
I think they're trained to keep shooting, if they start. But also to avoid starting.
The whole scene is a bewildering circus. And there were apparently run-ins with her before. Their apparent overreaction might be caused by some previous incident. These can be mitigating circumstances.
I'm withholding judgement. Only a jury will see everything.
Oh, I am certainly trained to shoot until the threat is neutralized, and, frankly will do just that if I am at the point where I have drawn my own weapon to defend me or mine.
You are right about it being a circus.
They are.
This entire situation was a perfect example of the poor security measures and incompetence within US law enforcement agencies.
We should expect it to get worse. They apparently doubled the size of the force and cut the training time, just this year, and immediately put the newbies in the fray.
And then there is all of that MAGA bling bling stuff, trying to look Tough on Crime, before the Midterms. Same as they've been doing with the National Guard.
*nods*
A perfect recipe for disaster. As planned. IMO.
I am attributing malice to the fact of when he drew his pistol.
But, if it came up in a court and he was tried and convicted of manslaughter, I would be satisfied with that outcome.
This might helps understanding agents. But all this explanations would never change a thing that a murder has to go to prison.
Only because there is a logic, that has lead to murder, does not change something in the fact, that it is still murder.
No matter if he is afraid, stressed, bad educated or what preconditions a person has.
It is the law of the land, to take mitigating circumstances into consideration, when deciding the charges. That is the same, in Switzerland.
For sure they are might able to lower the sentence, when it can be shown, that the murder does feel guilty and would not do it never again.
But those circumstances can not lead to be freed from the charges.
These kind of incentives can make the decision easier to get that job and then deal with the consequences...
"Incentives to become an ICE agent include a signing bonus of up to $50,000, student loan repayment and forgiveness options, overtime pay, and enhanced retirement benefits. The agency aims to hire 10,000 new personnel as part of its recruitment drive."
https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_0deac5ee-78c8-4ff7-9eb8-3c91603e8495.html
Yup. It is attractive until it isn't.
On top of all that the car is going like 2mph, and he has no authority as an ice agent to order a citizen to exit a vehicle or to enforce traffic laws.
Lying to yourself.
Suggestion : watch first-person footage.
I did. It doesn't clearly show what we want, when we want. The video and screen caps that I and another posted paint a more clear picture in my estimation.
There's still room and time for more information. I do hope we see more and better evidence brought to light soon.
Yeah the footage from his phone proves that it was a premeditated murder.
Calling the victim a "fucking bitch" right after shooting her face 3 times also shows a total lack of remorse.
She was literally just pulling out of her driveway to go pick her kid up from school.
There wasn't even a protest happening.
But pedophiles who support Trump won't let it go, they just keep making up excuses to justify the murder of American citizens as a way to distract from the Epstein files.
No. That isn't the video I've posted before.
I don't want to post it again since it cannot be verified by anyone credible at this point.
It still looks like a modified video. I'm no expert, if I'm wrong, its not intentional. It just doesn't fit the other video where there was no dude where he is there.
Yes, this one.