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spinning up nodes on AWS doesn’t define what bitcoin is
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I understand the distributed ledger, cryptographic signatures, proof of work to add a block to the blockchain, relay vs. consensus, difficulty adjustment, and block rewards. What am I missing?
Both sides accuse the other of running nodes on cloud servers.
I just refuse to relay pictures of children getting fucked by grown men all around the world. I can’t stop you from doing it. But, I’m not going to be the reason that shit ends up on the blockchain.
The "node runner" meme confuses ppl
No. Participants decide what is accepted. Node runners are the participants.
The “vote” is not an actual vote obviously. Everyone else except you I guess understands that the “vote” just means that you as a participant in the network (a node) get to choose what you will and won’t accept from other participants.
Runners are not participants, the only thing that matters is self validation of your coins on your preferred fork.
By definition, the nodes in the network are the participants.
Only people running nodes can participate in the network. What those people choose to accept matter. Self validation of your coins in fork that has 2 participants is pretty useless.
The buck stops with the people participating by running nodes. If tomorrow everyone else but you moves on to a different implementation incompatible with yours then your coins are useless.
Implementations make no difference unless they propose a different consensus spec.
Running nodes only enforce consensus at the moment they validate their transactions otherwise they are irrelevant. If that was not true you'd be able to Sybil attack bitcoin with node count on EC2
It makes a difference in meat space. If an implementation makes it illegal for people to run nodes then people are less likely to run nodes. It doesn’t matter that consensus rules didn’t change.
If all individuals that run nodes suddenly stopped tomorrow because they credibly feared being charged with possession and/or distributing of CSAM, and instead used a single node from a centralized institution do you think that’s good or bad for Bitcoin?
What makes Bitcoin unique is that we can be sovereign and don’t need to rely on a third party for verification or broadcasting of txns. If that is no longer the case then we are just back to relying in third parties. How is this not obvious?
We know how Bitcoin works much better than you.
Until recently I thought you are just super retarded.
But it becomes obvious that you are a bad actor.
Some of you in the spam / CP camp are corrupted by the spam industry money.
Some may be just brainwashed.
I run economic Bitcoin Knots node.
and you’re just an anon coward
So are you a corrupted bad actor?
At this point everyone knows filters work, except the corrupted bad actors who repeat their insance nonsense.
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I have a reputation in the space going back decades, and you're just an anon provocateur. whos the bad actor?
Watch the video.
Based on your comments, you have 0 reputation at this point and very minimal understanding of Bitcoin.
Also a really bad broken ego but thats your problem to solve.
Lopps "reputation" is also gone, same with others from the spam / CP camp.
Weird flex for someone who just lost HALF the market share for their project.
No, and no one is suggesting that obviously.
What matters is the actual humans participating in the network by using their own node. Start9 published their sales for the last few months, so we can see through the “AWS” baseless deflection.
The people running nodes DO get a say obviously. Idk why NVK keeps making that weird argument. Quick thought experiment. If every Bitcoiner running a node decided they won’t accept a change then anyone that goes on to run an implementation with that change is left trading with himself. Users decide what they will and won’t accept.
I really appreciate the conversation!
I know everybody’s annoyed/bored with the debate. with me being so new to understanding the network. It really helps me understand from a different perspective.