i get that you're into trying to hold/grow your value relative to other commodities/assets/whatever. that's basically your decision/calculations.

what i don't get is why you're so quick to disregard the actual utility and function of something like xmr? like another said, doxxing usually happens because of sloppy opsec and while there can be different attacks like black marbles, etc, i don't see any of that as being any good reason to dismiss.

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Tell me the use case of a private token that consistently loses value over time?

1 XMR = 1 XMR

Privacy is important because without privacy there's no freedom. Its also good as a currency because no one can track what you're spending on and won't reject your coins if they've had a dirty past.

Right now one xmr is about 300k sats and going lower

1 XMR = 1 XMR

1 BTC = 1 BTC

You are comparing XMR with BTC/USD.

I'm comparing it to sats, didn't mention usd, BTC is the unit of account and everything is priced in sats, 1 BTC = 1 BTC only works with BTC

it's going to 400k

Bitcoin has limited room to grow. One more 10× increase would bring its market capitalisation roughly in line with Gold. But if that also means a 10× increase in transaction fees, it would end up functioning much like physical gold: expensive to move, concentrated in custodial institutions, and subject to intermediary fees. Unlike gold, it also carries a significant social attack surface and provides far less privacy in its current form. I don’t see a strong case for a valuation much higher than that under present conditions.

For Bitcoin to scale further, another 10× beyond gold and become the backbone of global value, it must do a better job at being money. That means achieving both scalability and privacy without recreating the same banking power structures it was designed to disrupt. If routing fees and economies of scale end up favouring large intermediaries, the system risks centralisation similar to today’s financial system.

By contrast, Monero stands out as one of the few projects with genuine use, adoption, and built in privacy. As the world moves deeper into surveillance, privacy will become increasingly valuable.

If Bitcoin can integrate effective privacy and scaling solutions that prevent banks or large intermediaries from extracting rents, then it can unlock the remaining 100× of real growth potential. But the probability of this happening without strong competitive pressure is low.

So there’s a strategic choice:

Stay Bitcoin only and accept a capped upside, similar to gold’s role.

Or support Monero and benefit as it grows into a serious competitor, pushing Bitcoin to evolve into something more decentralised, private, and genuinely useful as global money.

Competition between these two could ultimately deliver a fairer and freer financial system that captures more value overall.

You can't reason with crack heads

Dude resorting to insults means you are losing the battle. Be better and use actual points, I know you can. Otherwise take the time to learn and understand the other side.

Once I did that things made a little more sense and gave me a few ideas to work on to help improve Bitcoin and Bitcoin Opsec education.

I got exhausted arguing with to many of you at once and you won't agree with me no matter what, I resorted to insults after getting insulted by a small army, so I think it means I already one

And you can’t party with bankers. Everything is a trade off.

what are you talking about?

I bought monero at â…• its current fiat price.

is your ONLY argument "if you had bought BTC you'd have more fiat value" ?

More Bitcoin value, stop projecting fiat onto me