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New UN report claiming mining is a “powerful tool” for money laundering makes zero sense and will be used an excuse to push KYC/AML/Sanctions at miner level – Full story at end of this post.

First, it claims that criminals use “illegal” mining operations to launder money, which literally defeats the entire purpose of money laundering.

Money laundering is done best via businesses that generate quick cashflow – at current hashprice, even if you *did* have free electricity and a all-in hosting cost of 0, one ASIC generates a mere return of ~$6000 over the course of 24 months.

This is particularly true in the fucking LIBYAN DESERT where heat and dust contribute significantly to wear and tear, but I’m sure that the geniuses who wrote this report also take their laptops to the beach.

The amount of nonsense the UN has cooked up here is truly astonishing.

It claims illegal mining operations are hard to detect, which is not just untrue for stealing electricity from the grid, but also for the heat signatures such operations omit.

If you do want to make such operations undetectable, facilities need to be impossibly insulated on the one hand – further diminishing returns on investment – but you also need to utilize off-grid energy.

If these operations use off-grid energy, which the UN names as a power source, then they do not, by definition, contribute to “chronic power outages in Lybia [..] depriving essential services and residential areas”, which the UN also claims, because *they are not connected to the grid*.

An exception to this would be if Bitcoin miners utilized stolen fuel, but then the issue is *people stealing fuel*, not people mining Bitcoin. This further erodes the UN’s claims that Lybia is an attractive destination for “illegal miners” due to low electricity cost, because stolen electricity is *not paid for by definition*.

As widely reported, Lybia’s fuel shortage arises from vibrant black markets. This does *not* happen due to a lack of “anti-money laundering authorities”, or because “bitcoin miners are stealing all the energy,” but because political tensions in the country have ground entire industries to a halt.

If you want to stop people from stealing electricity, maybe next time don’t bomb an entire country back to the Stone Age. You’re welcome.

Full Story: https://www.therage.co/un-mining-money-laundering/

It doesn’t make zero sense that miners can be used for money laundering?

Unless I have misunderstood this (which happens..) a large mining operation can launder funds by creating a self-transfer transaction with an unusually high fee and broadcasting it only to their own mining node. In this setup, the transaction sends funds from one address the miner controls to another, while most of the value is assigned as a miner fee. Because the transaction is never propagated to the network, only the miner’s own node sees it, ensuring that no other miner can include it in a block and claim the fee.

Once the miner successfully mines a block, they include this high-fee transaction alongside regular mempool transactions. The excessive fee is then paid back to the miner as part of the block reward, effectively converting tainted funds into what appears on-chain as legitimate mining income.

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I don't understand. UTXO's resulting from a tx in a hidden block will not be accepted by other miners as inputs when included in a newly found block. So this new block will be rejected globally. That is what I would think.

But I am curious to more details, of how this actually might work.!

I don't understand. UTXO's resulting from a tx in a hidden block will not be accepted by other miners as inputs when included in a newly found block. So this new block will be rejected globally. That is what I would think.

But I am curious to more details, of how this actually might work.

I don’t think it would be rejected. The original UTXO (input) would be known to the network, but the transaction with the high fee would not (until mined into a block).

I’m not saying this is a foolproof way to launder money, as it would be visible to network analytics that abnormally/suspiciously high fees are used.