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I am getting close to giving a more detailed assessment on Israel/Hamas, as it drags on.

And it will probably be Nostr-only since other platforms can’t handle it. It is too polarized. Everyone is tunnel-visioned.

My husband is currently in Cairo dealing with some property work we are doing for our extended family. They are only 250 miles from the problem, and Egypt’s acute currency crisis brings it closer to home if military or refugee shit hits the fan. Most of my extended family is geopolitically or financially close to the Israel/Gaza issue and is Muslim. I am thus both close and far from the issue. And I grew up in the US in a diverse region with Jewish and Muslim peers, but more-so Jewish overall.

Suffice to say, I don’t want civilians on either side to suffer or die. I am pro-humanity first and foremost.

Before I give my eventual analysis, I am happy to see Nostr comments on the issue. What are your thoughts and questions on the topic? What would you like to see addressed from a diverse or as non-biased source as possible?

SovereignArab 2y ago

1) this did not start on October 7.

2) according to international law, Israel has been illegally occupying Gaza and the West Bank since 1948

3) Gazans tried to march peacefully in 2018 “Great March of Return” and were shot and sniped indiscriminately.

4) Gaza is a concentration camp, where Israel controls every aspect of life. Including energy, food and water. Gazans are not allowed to go in or out.

5) Israel has never stopped building illegal settlements in the West Bank. Never stopped.

6) Zionism is a racist white supremacist, colonial ideology, and has nothing to do with Judaism. (The founder of Zionism is Theodor Herzl, a self confessed atheist)

7) Israel are the occupiers / oppressors. Palestinians and the occupied / oppressed

8) Resisting occupation is a basic human right

Lastly, there are two people in this world. People who believe in cartoonishly simple explanations of life (good vs evil) and that the 5th Covid jab will work, and Hamas fighters shoot rockets from hospital basements and use their own family as human shields, and that criticizing Israel is anti Semitic… and then there are those of us who are not fucking morons.

P.S. Arabs and Palestinians are semites too you propaganda regurgitating muppets.

(Not u Lyn, your a legend) ✊🇵🇸 #freepalestine

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nontoxicmaxi 2y ago

Fucking legend

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064cd082... 2y ago

1) Sure, what a trivial claim to make.

2) Israel has not been occupying Gaza since 2005. Guess who they elected: Hamas.

3) Gazans protested "peacefully" last year near the border and the army let them. It seems now that it was cover to prepare for the Oct 7 attack.

4) Israel *provides* energy, because Hamas was too busy with their holy war and couldn't care less how well their people fared! And there were tons of Gazans working in Israel before Oct 7, e.g. in construction. Contrary to whatever propaganda you are being fed, most Israelis do not think that Gazans are inherently evil and deserve their misfortune. But there is no way to attack only Hamas, because they insist on actively putting their population at risk, and put no effort into protecting them. The body count serves their propaganda, convincing useful idiots in western countries.

5) Yes, this is true. You realize that Gaza and the West Bank are different places though, right? As much as settler aggression is awful, it does not satisfy atrocities. Justifying Oct 7 in this way is just crazy. You must really not know, or choose to not believe, what happened that day. There are videos, by the way.

6) Most Israelis are not even of European descent. Most are African/Persian/Yemenite...

7) Israel has been attacked multiple times, and won. The occupation of some of the aggressors was the result. I am for a two-state solution, but I don't pretend that Arabs/Palestinians are not to blame for their situation.

8) Resistance, as in rape, beheading, painfully killing on purpose, including children? Many of the people that were gruesomely attacked that day are pro-peace, who had friends in Gaza. What an awful irony. Only monsters like Hamas are capable of this. Again, their actions were so horrific that I understand why it's difficult to believe they actually did this. But there is *tons* of evidence. I also personally know someone who was there, but you probably wouldn't take the word of some anon.

You deny that Hamas are using hospitals as humanitarian shields. Will any amount of evidence convince you that you are wrong?

Anti-semitism is a concept, you are not supposed to take its etymology as its meaning. That would be like objecting to the word "fingernail" because it is not made of metal.

The fact that you are bringing Covid into this is telling. Classic virtue signalling.

SovereignArab 2y ago

Oh hi Hasbara 👋

It’s not complicated. Occupier vs occupied.

Resisting occupation is a human right. That’s why every iconic civil rights leader from this century supports the Palestinian right for self determination. Nelson Mandela, Malcolm X, Mohammed Ali etc. and many more.

“If you don’t believe it or don’t get it, I don’t have the time to try to convince you, sorry.” Satoshi Nakamoto

Of all the brainwashed BS u said, my favorite one is about Israelis being Kannanites/ Yemenis and Persians and not from Europe … it is honestly … chef’s kiss 🤌

064cd082... 2y ago

Of course it's not complicated to a galaxy brain like yours. Let me bow before you, oh mighty woke worrior king.

And by the way, I also support the Palestinian's right to their own state. But first they've got to be freed from their terrorist regime. How about they elect someone that recognizes Israel's right to exist.

You probably think I'm happy that children in Gaza are dying. Let me reassure you that I am not. It is a horrible cost. I do, however, believe that Hamas is to blame, along with their supporters.

SovereignArab 2y ago

Habibi,

Hamas was formed in 1987. The Zionist ethnic cleansing has been going on since 1948, the year of the Nakba.

When Hamas was formed, Israeli intelligence chiefs encouraged and wanted them to take control of Gaza so they can consider it a hostile territory and implemented the blockade on Gaza and built a wall around it, essentially transforming it to an open air prison. Netnyahu has admitted this in interviews many times before. It’s actually a genius move on Israel’s part. Divide and conquer. They have done this to the Arabs effectively for decades. I actually respect how much better Israel are than the Arabs at the game of thrones. See Wikileaks cable.

https://x.com/wikileaks/status/1718915390842061163?s=46&t=hB_1ujRRfTGjvAVfy8U8Uw

Look at this map. This is what it’s all about. Israel keep taking our land. You’ve been doing it since 1948.

I honestly don’t think you’re a bad guy. Life is not so simple. We don’t live in a marvel movie. I do however think you’ve been fed Zionist propaganda your whole life.

064cd082... 2y ago

I know about the divide and conquer strategy and I find it abhorrent. I am the opposite of a Bibi supporter. But I don't believe the ethnic cleansing narrative as you present it. The UN recognised Israel, but Arabs wouldn't have it and attacked. In victory, Israel conquered territory. The Nakba would not have happened if the Arab nations accepted the Israeli state.

Some settlers in the West Bank would be happy to kick all the Palestinians out, and some of the population supports then, which is awful. But that doesn't justify terrorism, let alone on the other side of the country against children and even other Arabs!

064cd082... 2y ago

You don't think I'm a bad guy but you are fine with burning my children alive as I watch and then beheading me? Cool dude.

SovereignArab 2y ago

Of course I am not. I’m a human being, a father, and do not wish harm on any children. I see u as a human being. You do not. How else can u justify killing 4,000 children and counting for 30 days now! Over 4,000! And believing such outlandish and nonsensical lies like Hamas using their own people as human shields and launching rockets from hospital basements, it’s ludicrous.

During genocide the first step is dehumanization. As the Europeans did to the Jews during the pogroms and the holocaust.

Your people said never again, and yet here we are, not 1 generation removed from the horror you experienced at the hands of Germany, you are doing to Palestinians what Hitler did to u! The tragic irony of it all.

Yet, unironically, you are claiming to be the victim?! I am sorry sir, you cannot have it both ways. You were victims in Europe up until WW2. at the hands of Europeans. This is a key point. It was the Europeans who has an issue with the Jews, not the Arabs. Zionists conveniently leave that out of ur history books. Jews and Muslims and Christians have existed in Palestine for thousand of years peacefully.

In Palestine, Israel is the occupier and oppressor, performing ethnic cleansing on the indigenous people, not the victim.

064cd082... 2y ago

Excuse me for doubting the word of a terrorist organization on their unverifiable numbers. Regardless, even if it was 4 children it would be a tragedy. But the alternative of leaving Hamas in power is far worse. The allied forces had to make the same choice against the Nazis. In any case, it's not a numbers game of whose side has more deaths. That's not a moral argument in any way.

We are disagreeing on fact so there may be nothing more to discuss. I believe the evidence that Hamas is using hospitals, mosques, etc to cover their tunnels and to launch rockets from. Do you agree that, IF that were the case, Hamas is to blame?

You're working so hard to defend Hamas, when they couldn't give less of a fuck about you. They want to die in holy glory and meet their 72 virgins in heaven. You say dehumanization is the first step to genocide. But I'm not dehumanizing the people of Gaza, only those for which the above applies, that fill the ranks of Hamas, especially their leadership. They are part of the Muslim fanatic worldwide movement that horrendously misreads the Qur'an.

I don't understand why you think we blame Arabs for the holocaust. I've never heard that argument in my life from anyone. Nazis hated Arabs too. We do blame the Arabs, generally speaking, for attacking us as we declared independence with the agreement of the UN. Then again in 67. Then again in 73.

I'm not saying Israel is blameless, but in this case there is no comparison. Again, if anything, Israel is to blame for not acting more forcefully against Hamas earlier. Both sides could have been much better off.

Hamas literally say that their goal is to vanquish every Jew from Israel, and we have seen that they would be extra happy if the method was to horrifically kill every Jew. On the other hand, Israel had over half a century to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians. Do you think Israel couldn't do that if it wanted to? It could do that in a week. Why is it taking so long, then?

If you had a button and reversed everything, Hamas being the occupiers and Israelis the occupied, I assure you that every Jew would be dead by the end of the year. They have claimed that in words and proven it with actions.