I am getting close to giving a more detailed assessment on Israel/Hamas, as it drags on.

And it will probably be Nostr-only since other platforms can’t handle it. It is too polarized. Everyone is tunnel-visioned.

My husband is currently in Cairo dealing with some property work we are doing for our extended family. They are only 250 miles from the problem, and Egypt’s acute currency crisis brings it closer to home if military or refugee shit hits the fan. Most of my extended family is geopolitically or financially close to the Israel/Gaza issue and is Muslim. I am thus both close and far from the issue. And I grew up in the US in a diverse region with Jewish and Muslim peers, but more-so Jewish overall.

Suffice to say, I don’t want civilians on either side to suffer or die. I am pro-humanity first and foremost.

Before I give my eventual analysis, I am happy to see Nostr comments on the issue. What are your thoughts and questions on the topic? What would you like to see addressed from a diverse or as non-biased source as possible?

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Where is UN in this?

Good fucking question.

Getting bombed…

The UN is reporting that Israeli forces have killed 88 UN aid workers, more than have ever been killed in any single conflict in history.

47 UN buildings, and more than 100 health facilities, have been hit by Israeli airstrikes.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2023/nov/06/israel-hamas-war-deadliest-for-un-aid-workers-agency-leaders-ceasefire-call

UN had almost 90 of their people killed in Gaza so far - more than in any conflict in history - they don't like what is happening any more than anybody else - but there is nothing they can do. They, like everybody else, are under the thumb of America and the Jews.

The China/Russia/Iran/multipolar aspect

I agree that I don’t want people to die, especially innocent children and non combatants.

Fuck a flag.

It certainly seems fishy to me, here’s a painting I did in 2021 l, when there was an asymmetric defense

Looking forward to your analysis

Just do your thing Just come from the heart and let us know what that is saying. We don’t need another heartless analysis of the situation. What we want is your unique and personal analysis. That’s why we are hear, listening and reading.

My goal is always objectivity + heart/ethics.

Virtue ethics.

THIS!

The ability of civilians to escape the crisis and the geopolitical factors that are preventing migration/flight of refugees.

The contribution of the US to weaponry to either side. Who are the countries that are arming the ongoing conflict?

I'd like to know if you think Scott Horton is completely off-base.

https://fountain.fm/episode/HGagpxL6IlOTTTaDKsaF

it has been so nice not seeing takes on the “current thing” on nostr tbh

I think it’s pretty straight forward. Palestinians have been occupied for 70+ years living under hell conditions and having no control over their own lives. Of course they will eventually stand up for themselves if the world won’t. And of course resistance groups like Hamas will form.

Don’t buy into the Israeli propaganda. Israel is purposely taking advantage of the situation to kill as many Palestinians and drive them out of their homes. Israel loves the war.

Seems like Palestinians are akin to the ghettos of America.

A bunch of people with IQs too low to make anything of themselves, zero desire to do so, and a lot of hatred baked in; blaming everyone but themselves.

Dog shit take.

Why?

Israel provides 20% of their water and electricity. Egypt doesn’t want them. No other Arab country will take them.

My point wasn’t a statement. Explain how it’s inaccurate.

Thats why everybody is muting you, because you curse too much.

Bye!

Fuck off

Whaaaa “curse words,” omg, how unsettling!

Little bitch.

If you think "it's pretty straightforward" then you don't really understand what is going on there. For one, Gaza hasn't been occupied for almost two decades.

Does "standing up for themselves" include torturing and raping civilians? Burning children? You can say about anything that it is "propaganda" and just believe whatever makes you sleep well at night. That's cheap. I hope you don't look up the videos from Oct 7 for your own sanity.

Hamas is not a resistance group. They are terrorists. Hamas doesn't care about the people of Gaza, or any people, it only cares about its holy war and the afterlife. They don't even hide it. Over the years, Hamas, as the elected government in Gaza, used its aid money to build tunnels and arm their hospitals and mosques, instead of caring for its people.

Israel can trivially kill over a million people in Gaza if it wanted to. There are people in Israel who would be happy to see people in Gaza die, but they are a minority, and not part of the army's higher ranks or pilots. Instead, the IDF let the civilians evacuate, at the risk of terrorists evacuating too. Of course there will be a lot of casualties if you are determined to destroy a group that uses a populous as its shield. Welcome to war, there is a reason why everybody hates it.

Israel is not free of blame. If anything, it should have been more heavy-handed with Hamas. It should also cooperative more with the leadership in the West Bank, and not enable settler aggressions. But there are no settlers in Gaza! Did you even know that Gaza and the West Bank are two separate places that do not even share a border, or leadership? I bet this is news to you.

You’re fucking retarded. I grew up there 🤣

I know what I’m talking about. Everything you said is completely false.

Where did you grow up exactly?

How is everything I said false? Be specific, or otherwise you're just throwing claims in the air.

Amazing bit of fan fiction. An obvious distortion of reality.

When you have to run an actual marketing campaign to gain support for your cause, your know it’s done so in order to manufacture consent for genocide.

What have I distorted?

Of course there is a marketing campaign, there are campaigns on both sides. Not exactly a measure of who's right. But I'm not part of any group or anything, I just tried out nostr and stumbled upon this thread.

Yeah, yeah. This tactic doesn't work here.

You are restoring to ad hominem.

No adhoms here.

Looking forward to your assessment.

We tend to forget History, wouldn’t it be a good thing to be reminded of the root causes of the issues?

We often here the ‘If Israel put its weapons down Palestine would kill all the Jews but if Palestines put its weapons down there would be peace’

Hamas is not in the West Bank as far as I understand, yet it is also my understanding (I could be mistaken) that Palestinians in the West Bank are being harmed or negatively affected by Jew settlers in the west bank. If this is in fact true, who is to say people in Gaza wouldn’t be subject to the same treatment.

Curious what your view is on the Israel/West Bank dynamic.

I think at the end of this conflict there will be “more fuel for the fire” of terrorist propaganda that is fed to young families in that region.

It is hard to characterize anyone as innocent, while they are innundated with such messages, and that goes for both sides.

If any of these people were to do a cost/benefit analysis for their own benefit, they would not be a part of it. Such is the case in wars in general.

To what extent is Russia/China/Iran behind this? How much of this is a coordinated series of attacks in a culmination of a war which seemed to begin due to the GFC as an economic war, with treasury holders upset at being unilaterally debased, selling down treasury position (China and Russia), buying gold, starting the B+R initiative, and now moving onto kinetic war with fronts seemingly opening in Europe (Ukraine), ME (Israel) and Africa (Niger)? Where does Saudi Arabia fit in? They must also be very nervous about treasuries and the dollar following the GFC. Are they trying to be neutral? Why is Japan all of a sudden best friends with South Korea, increasing it's defence budget 30%, and getting involved with NATO? Is this the perfect cover to usher in a period of deeply negative real rates and capital controls? Could the US have known about the Hamas attacks in advance, and it suited them to let it happen? Why was Elizabeth Warren so quick with the "Hamas uses Bitcoin" mendacious propoganda? Could the establishment in China, US, Russia, Saudi essentially all be in a kind of mutual collusion to go with these increasingly escalated flow of events in order to "solve" their domestic woes of too much debt?

zionism is finally being recognized as separate from judaism

https://rumble.com/v3tm9e0-video-police-crack-down-on-anti-zionist-jews-in-israel.html

the vast majority of the american public want a ceasefire now, yet NOT ONE of our "senators" reflected the will of the people in a recent vote.

the american people are starting to see the MIC for what it is.

the great defunding draws nearer.

🧡

Smart brain powered collectivist structures ending up hurting the naive ones irregardless of the nation or religion. Bitcoin and nostr hurts the centralization of power structures, protecting and helping the meek to have a better life. The problem is people using too much brain, too little heart.

I responded to your last post on this topic, but I didn’t get a reply, maybe you missed it.

What needs to be addressed so that we can all have a civil conversation.

What does Israel want? A sovereign state, what are the borders of this state according their history?

They keep distracting the international community with small conflicts like this one, to occupy more land to get back ALL their “promised” land.

How big is the land that they want? Their “promised” land extends far beyond the current boarders, just search Greater Israel and you will see their ultimate goal. They even have it on their flag, and have put the map on podiums before.

Will Israel, say in 70 years from now, have the right to defend itself in Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, or Jordan? As they work towards greater Israel?

I would like to know how does Israel draw its borders, so that we can all know how to deal with it. Historically there were no boarders, just small cities and villages.

you bet your ass Israel will keep "defending itself" in Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Jordan

remember these are the people who Nuked Japan twice and fire bombed Dresden into a parking lot ... and then made the entire WW2 about their suffering even though they started that war ( declaring war on Hitler in 1933 ) and were barely 1% of total casualties in that war.

their entire identity is their victim complex and everybody is a Nazi and they must constantly defend themselves by killing children by the millions ...

read their fucking holy books - its nonstop slaughter of all other peoples and all done in self defense of course - every week is another Jewish holiday and each holiday is a celebration of Jews slaughtering some people in some war ... all in self defense ...

these people are beyond help ...

how can i boost you 10 times

You seem very very angry and misinformed. Are you whitewashing the holocaust or just saying Jews constantly bring it up. Just like Hamas recorded what they did on Oct 7th, the Nazis recorded everything they did to Jews, Gypsies, etc. and don’t blame the Bible. Show me any Bible that doesn’t include wars against enemies. It just so happens that over history, Jews had continued to be singled out from weak minded people and exiled or killed. Yet they continued to survive. And now no thanks to people like you, you seem eager to see them get wiped away, as if that would solve the world’s problems.

Good luck with your anger issues.

Respectfully, sir, Lyn doesn’t owe anybody a reply

I think people like you need to have a lot of space to speak. You have a direct connection with this subject, with the past and present. I see colleagues from my country, who don't even know what a war is, giving lectures on the subject. We need a basis, and your comments could help in this regard.

The Geo-Political/Economic Angle.

Is there any legitimacy to the argument that Israel wants to annex Gaza and build it’s own alternative to the Suez Canal, The Ben Gurion Canal, through the Gaza Strip? This would bring enormous revenue to Israel and undermine Egyptian/Arab leverage globally.

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-planned-suez-canal-alternative-israel-blast-with-nuclear-bombs-1960s-2021-3?amp

Looking forward to read your detailed assessment

Coming from a Mexican-American background, I'm annoyed with this conflict. It has been going on since 1948 and the whole premise of fighting for holy land is bothersome.

I'm atheist, so I don't understand people that will kill in the name of religion.

I'm the least of all people that should be commenting, but since I plan to retire in Europe, I feel uneasy about radicals that want to create social chaos "encouraged" by the name of an entity.

i love you Lyn and think you're the smartest and best person on nostr BUT i honestly don't care what you say on this subject because it's already as clear as daylight what is happening

Israel is leaning on international finance Jewry's control of America and America's VETO power at the United Nations to do 2 things

1 - drive Palestinians out so that their land can be stolen

2 - use the outrageous sadism of the operation to draw other regional powers into the conflict so that they can be eliminated by Americans who are flooding into the region ( Aircraft Carriers, Nuclear Submarines etc. ) as we speak.

the ultimate goal is GREATER ISRAEL which G-d ostensibly promised to the Jews ( in the Torah, which the Jews wrote themselves ) as being from the Nile to the Euphrates, represented by the two blue lines on the Israeli flag.

yes Lyn that means most likely where you are in Egypt right now will also become a part of Israel eventually ... along with Lebanon, Syria etc.

Well, given your detailed view on the issue, you will likely find my analysis interesting whether you agree with it or not. Happy to see your comments on it in this open platform!

I look forward to hearing your thoughts, Lyn.

As someone who reflexively distrusts media narratives and typically isn't sure what to believe on social media, I don't have enough info to form a solid opinion.

I think I'm being manipulated to hate the people of Gaza (but I don't) and only view Isreal as a victim (I don't). I'm sympathetic to people that seem to be stuck in an open air prison. I'm skeptical of the story told about the initial assult but whoTF knows.

I have PTSD from American wars in the middle east...the infinity wars need to end. At the end of the day, rather than sort out who to be enraged at, or who is right, I simply peacefully opt out by storing my energy in Bitcoin and focusing on my family and my craft.

To the war mongers, I respectfully say GFY, I'd rather not participate in your fucked up games.

I'd prefer not to.

i saw recent video of idf talking about conquering lebanon as well as palestine

I am also interested in your views regarding this subject.

It’s not always as clear as it seams to be. Too many players are involved. The obvious ones, the „hidden“ ones and the ones we have only a slide idea.

I’m looking forward to hear your thoughts.

To me it is also not that clear or i don't want to feel like it would be. Would love to se an open discussion filled with proven facts.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BQR8x3CCo0A watch this "The danger of a single story" and then decide on how easily you can objectively tell one.

Go for it! This is the place for it. We value your input.

Why has the US government been so silent about a ceasefire (or even outwardly opposing) when polling shows over 70% of citizens support it? What are the geopolitical, or economic benefits to no ceasefire, or the grander world effects of not calling for a ceasefire?

some have said that in order to have an opinion on this matter you have to have "a number of dead babies that you're ok with" no matter what as there is no "I don't want dead babies" option available. Do you agree with this or no? If yes, what is your number?

"Israel has the right to defend itself but not to not defend itself for hours, letting terrorists kill entire families just to have an excuse for bombing back indiscriminately" - in how far was the Hamas attack preventable given the IDF's capabilities.

"Netanyahu showed maps without a Gaza strip. Israel wants to build the Ben Gurion Canal and going straight means saving billions - and going straight through Gaza" - is there anything to rumors that this very old project is having a renaissance?

I would like to see a discussion around the topic of the Abraham Accords. Why the Biden administration is in unwilling to acknowledge the accomplishment of the previous administration’s ability to get the Saudis and the Jewish peoples to agree. How Iran is using the Palistinian people as cannon fodder to stop the Abraham Accords and whether this is still a viable path forward.

No more “help” from the US would go a long way in finding a path to forgiveness

Both “teams” have lost when othering has taken hold

How can a two state solution take hold when extremists from both sides insist on opposite ideas?

Interested to hear your thoughts on MSM reporting Hamas being funded by crypto, vs the Chainalysis findings. Also the fact that they had a legit bank account at the anti-crypto bank Barclays and lack of backlash from that.

Are you familiar with how untrustworthy Chainalysis is as a whole? If not, here’s a taste: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/technical/chainalysis-investigations-lead-is-unaware-of-scientific-evidence

I read theough the article. It looks like its just a lawyer calling some evidence (provided by them) into question. The fact that their software is a black-box seems to be his reasoning, but he doesn’t give any evidence to prove that their information is innacurate?

I don’t know much about them other than they seem to be the most popular service for this type of thing and I’ve heard they are pro-crypto and have heald bitcoin on their balance sheet for 2 years now.

With defence such a key part of the Israeli state, how did the State not even try to prevent the initial attack? Will those in government be held accountable?

What is the Egyptian sentiment towards Israel and its occupation of Gaza? Has it evolved with this recent war? It seems that the US paid off Muslim countries for decades to leave Israel alone, but the shelling of Gaza seems to be galvanizing people around the world against the Israeli state’s actions. Will governments be forced by popular uprisings to move against israel?

Follow the money trail

- who would benefit financially

- who would benefit politically

What corporate interests might be involved?

Who is making money from this disaster?

I can't wait to read your thoughts. Given your long term macro focus, can you draw any conclusions about the long-term impact this war will have on the region?

At this point it seems clear the American empire is in decline. Can Israel survive as an independent nation surrounded by enemies without American political and military support?

What's your best case scenario for a resolution to the conflict? Worst case scenario?

Your unfiltered reactions to nostr:npub1gdu7w6l6w65qhrdeaf6eyywepwe7v7ezqtugsrxy7hl7ypjsvxksd76nak ‘s takes on it 😅

Why Egypt, and other neighbouring countries, refuse to take Palestinian refugees, with Egypt even having built and fortified a wall, thus effectively keeping Gaza citizens trapped.

It seems to me that immigration is a problem on many fronts, on borders across the globe.

I am interested in the different viewpoints people have. I have lots to learn.

nostr:npub1g0587hzzckcncxfm78n0996qe2s58nspy29wf02tqcj5sdzcpj4q6j40hv‘s recent interview with nostr:npub1guh5grefa7vkay4ps6udxg8lrqxg2kgr3qh9n4gduxut64nfxq0q9y6hjy is a good start. Also befuddling that everyone here can observe the threat vectors she’s discussing (ones I’ve been trying to discuss for a year) but continue to be in denial or think they’re gonna live in their black market BTC economy when SHTF. The unwillingness to even acknowledge those possibilities and beat up solutions grossly discredits our team. Are Normie Bitcoiners a thing? Seems like an oxymoron but the circle jerking on nostr often makes me wonder…

Would love to see a one paragraph summary.

The simpler the better.

I think we all can understand there are bigger players and plays at work, but what are they?

Hi, I’d like to know how is it possible for the UN to continue to function given their staggering inability to apply any kind of pressure on Israel. Should there be a new international organization that relies on a real principle of equality, with no veto and with a true mission of peace?

I’ll read anything you post on the subject. Very curious about the human aspect but also weary of biases. Grateful for your sharing

The new canal theory is an interesting take.

I don’t see how the status quo can be maintained. It’s like a blood feud over a family’s home where one brother has the house and the other brother stays in the backyard. None of the tabled solutions are acceptable for anyone.

If this were a family law dispute, one of the parties would be forced to move and the other party would pay them.

No easy solutions and there is no court to make a binding peaceful decision. A terrible stalemate will continue, I guess.

An objective state of the chessboard would be helpful.

How much of the risk is affected by economic interests? How many factions have economic interests in the conflict? Who are these interests? Who presents the most significant risk of escalation?

Uncle Bob Martin and I have been having some debate on the topic, if you wanted something to stimulate your thinking on it. I see myself as having more sympathy towards Palestinians being the most aggrieved party, and while I don't support Hamas I try to explain them. I see the good Uncle as having a more typical American Christian pro-Israel viewpoint.

I very much look forward to hearing your viewpoint.

Here are two threads where most of our posts lie.

I intend to create a "Palestine codex" which summarizes my thinking as replaceable events with a replaceable index linking to each topic... but I also intend not to do that given that I really don't have the time ;-)

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From a game theory perspective, what are the long-running blockers to resolving the conflict, and what likely needs to change?

Let's hear the analysis, but it has to include economic factors, which of course, with you it will. How would a sound money change this region? Who knows. But clearly resource domination is behind the troubles since oil was discovered in Iran in 1908. Before that, it's harder to say what it was.

I am thinking Israel will annex Gaza and that’ll be it for Gaza. Am I correct to assume this outcome?

The Israelis seem very determined this time around.

I’m from Brazil. After reading the news and watching reliable videos it’s my point of view Israel must finish Hammas. Unfortunately they use its people as a shield and they count with fanatics well trained since kids as blinded mind radicals. Despite of everything I am still asking HOW the radicals could pass through the Israelis fences without any notice from its vigilante army ?

The same way that the "radicals" from Bolsonaro passed thru the government on 8 Jan:because the government allowed it so it could start censoring and demonizing the other side

Hitler did the same when someone burned the german parlament.

If you search for the Times of Israel, you will see that neytaniahu has been financing Hamas since a long time, because it benefits him:Gives the country an enemy to fight, and weakens the palestininans, because it competes with the Palestinian Autorhity.

How far back in hisotry are you digging?

It seems every side could go back to a certain date and start their argument there making it impossible to respond to because we know the other side always has an earlier point of time that goes with their claim.

Any mentions to Christian Zionism? I recently heard about the movement and how they had some influence on the whole Balfour Declaration. Mostly from this TFTC episode

https://fountain.fm/episode/h7qDnoJiWS5gbRjHdK1N

Yep. The Christian Zionists have always and continue to be a very influential base of political capital for the Zionist project.

Let's put it this way. Before Zionism Jewish people lived in peace with Palestinians. True, in this last century a large influx of European Jewery entered into Palestine. But its crucial to note that they did so under a project, a concerted effort, to produce and maintain and Jewish only state of Israel. As a Jewish person, of a humble age of 30, it is of my opinion that this Jewish only state project was and continues to be the folly of the "State of Israel."

It is of note that to this day, there are Jewish people in the state of Israel that are against the Jewish only statist project, that want, along with the Palestinians, to live under rule of a state that protects the statehood, the citizenshup, the humanity of both Jewish people and Muslim people, of Israeli Jews and Palestinian Arabs. Those Jews, who criticize the Zionists project are being treated very poorly right now and have never been looked upon well. They want peace. The Zionists will only get peace when every Palestinian is no longer in their locale, this is born out by the Zionist logic itself, and that outcome must not materialize--for the sake of international law, our collective moral compass, and for the shame I feel as a Jewish person to have this Zionist project spill blood, starve out, oppress, make a whole people stateless, sub-citizen, all in the name of providing the Jewish people, MY NAME, MY BLOOD a state to ensure their projection under state sovereignty--what Europe denied them LESS THAN 100 YEARS AGO. In my name. It torments me.

And the Christian Zionists? They hate Jews. They are good ole boys from blue blood Anglo families, they wish all the Jews would leave their secular Americanized lives and go to their home land, fulfilling the prophecy and bringing the End Times. Then and only then will their baby Jesus come.

When I was young, it always astounded me that the Jewish community in general and the Jewish zionists in particular never agknowledged the insanity and tragedy of the Christian Zionists intentions and beliefs. All the mattered was that they supported Israel. Israel = protection of the Jewish people, ergo good. But these folks don't care much for Jewish people at all, we are just a pawn in their theological delusions.

It was this realization, among many but this one in particular, that showed me that the Zionist project doesn't care about protecting Jewish people at all.

And for goodness sakes, "normal" life for the Zionists project is subjugating the existing population for 75 years of increasing oppression, to the point where not only are Palestinians second class citizens, the people of Gaza are rationed water and food and such to a mathematical precision, to the calorie. "Normal" life, for Israel, "keeping Jewish people protected" means keeping a hellscape brew for twenty years with people, humans, pent up with no options, nothing at all, waiting to see what may arise in terms of violence--only to resort to reactive, barbaric response which in that case does = "keeping Jewish people safe". Hopefully it is clear to you why this does not make any sense to me. It makes no sense.

Why does Inflicting reactionary or, as we have also seen in the last 20 years, unprovoked military operations against the people of Gaza = "keeping Jewish people safe" WHILE seeking a peaceful existence for the people who live in greater Palestine IS NEVER EVEN SERIOUSLY ENTERTAINED??!!

The issue is 'governance' veiled as slavery

The enemies are

politicians

judges

lawyers

police

military

basically anybody who joins a group who portends power over you

Philosophy > feelings

Two recent podcast episodes on Theology in The Raw had scholars arguing that Israel doesn’t get some green light for injustice because they are/were “God’s chosen people”. Taking sides is dumb. Realizing that individuals are complex, everyone has their issues and no side is completely guilty or innocent is the uncomfortable tension we have to sit in. Pray, work and speak out for peace.

Zooming out….

As humans, how do we come to terms with or evaluate the relative magnitude of suffering associated with physical violence vs. economic pain vs. cultural strife? What baseline metrics or frameworks can we point to in order to inform our views on such complex issues?

How does time-frame / time-preference affect the analysis of this issue/conflict? How do we quantify oppression over an extended period vs. violence over a short/acute period? Are there parallels we can draw from other fields?

In what ways does technology affect the current conflict and potential outcomes (communications, weapons, money, etc.)?

I believe that the best post you could bring together would be your and your family experience in all this! We live in a world based on opinions and propaganda and few take the time to share their stories but it’s from these stories that we better understand the world around us.

Just one question: What can you possibly hope to accomplish from such an assessment that would change anyone’s opinion at this point? I don’t see most people reconsidering their worldview in either direction no matter how many people have to suffer for it.

Tout à fait d'accord avec vous , nous regardons de nouveau des actes incommensurables qu'aucun être humain ne se devrait de commettre. C'est qui nous différencie des autres espèces.

Géopolitiquement nos dirigeants sont toujours dans une culpabilité suite les méfaits d'une Europe de la 2eme WW, telle qu'actuellement elle se referme de + en + sur elle, le racisme reprend ses relents, un bassin méditerranéen suite à un État Islamique qui n'existe point depuis que l' Irak Afghanistan.

Historiquement là où se passe le drame actuel est la terre des 3 religions c'est la Palestine . Ras le bol des guerres ou des tuerires qu'on mette sous le nom des religions L'Europe les a vécues ce fut toujours dramatique. Ce qui se passe aujourd'hui n'aurait jamais pu arriver si Gantz était à la place de Bibi que je qualifierai tel que Poutine . N'oublions l'Intifada, Sinaï le printemps arabe, Syrie, seul l'Iran le danger qui viendrait des princes du Désert y compris le Maroc qui ont signé par intérêt les accords d'Abraham, que le Qatar n'avait jamais voulu signer. Ces cousins prétendent qu'il finance le terrorisme, une autre connerie...En tous les cas on est devant un autre genocide au nom de la Religion

I can't speak for Lyn, but what I got out of her message was a sense of curiosity to learn more rather than adding to the mess of polarizing propaganda 🙂

Suck a an ass, rodent whore

Myths and slanderous lies to massacres

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Drunken baffoon

Lyme cunt

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They can’t be thieving and deviant faking what not theirs

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Choose life

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#MRC

Nothing in particular, one item comes to the mind: history of the land & the importance.

Lyn - would be great to hear on the economic effect and how this could unravel world markets. The Suez cannel and other side issues also how the repression of a society that has gone on too long and what did they expect - I think though how could Isreal not have know or been more prepared? Think that the timing is too good? Anything but a main stream perspective would be great to hear. Thanks

A big question is why the Israeli army "did not" know the attack on Oct 7th was coming.

It does not pass the smell test.

I hope you follow the money.

Zionism is not Judaism.

Death to Israel.

They are imposters.

Hamas is being dicks. Should surrender all hostages and the cease fire would be a thing.

Personally, I think that first of all, a social network, decentralized or not, is still a social network. Here, there won't be (at least I hope not) any mediators censoring you, but the problem will remain the people. There will always be narrow-minded people to judge. I've tested a lot of networks and every time I've found the same people. Unfortunately, true freedom doesn't exist in this world, a word, a sentence, an idea can easily be taken out of context and added to X, Instagram or whatever. It all depends on how much media exposure you're willing to take on. Today, Nostr remains friendly but I don't know what would happen if it strayed too far from Bitcoinmania. This conflict is akin to a large-scale police raid, and I'm sure I'll be developing this idea next time… Best regards.

Talk avout BDS and the complete disintegration of the state of Israel through debt, internal financial collapse and external pressure.

I am not Arab or Palestinian or Jewish. I have not connection to the issue, yet feel a rage and hate i have never felt before.

I used to care, sincerely about the alledged "holocaust". Schindlers list, hill of the righteous all that stuff.

No more. They have erased white And german guilt. The veil covering the death machine has slipped off and all its inhumane gears are bare and ready.

Talk about the macro economic implications of total kike death.

Talk about switching to Bitcoin and killing Jewish in group preference through monetary policy and fiat powered Jewish war crimes.

Talk about how if i feel this way as someone with no vested interest in the region or connection to it, how others who do, and who also have far less pacifist worldviews and intentions feel.

1) this did not start on October 7.

2) according to international law, Israel has been illegally occupying Gaza and the West Bank since 1948

3) Gazans tried to march peacefully in 2018 “Great March of Return” and were shot and sniped indiscriminately.

4) Gaza is a concentration camp, where Israel controls every aspect of life. Including energy, food and water. Gazans are not allowed to go in or out.

5) Israel has never stopped building illegal settlements in the West Bank. Never stopped.

6) Zionism is a racist white supremacist, colonial ideology, and has nothing to do with Judaism. (The founder of Zionism is Theodor Herzl, a self confessed atheist)

7) Israel are the occupiers / oppressors. Palestinians and the occupied / oppressed

8) Resisting occupation is a basic human right

Lastly, there are two people in this world. People who believe in cartoonishly simple explanations of life (good vs evil) and that the 5th Covid jab will work, and Hamas fighters shoot rockets from hospital basements and use their own family as human shields, and that criticizing Israel is anti Semitic… and then there are those of us who are not fucking morons.

P.S. Arabs and Palestinians are semites too you propaganda regurgitating muppets.

(Not u Lyn, your a legend) ✊🇵🇸 #freepalestine

1) Sure, what a trivial claim to make.

2) Israel has not been occupying Gaza since 2005. Guess who they elected: Hamas.

3) Gazans protested "peacefully" last year near the border and the army let them. It seems now that it was cover to prepare for the Oct 7 attack.

4) Israel *provides* energy, because Hamas was too busy with their holy war and couldn't care less how well their people fared! And there were tons of Gazans working in Israel before Oct 7, e.g. in construction. Contrary to whatever propaganda you are being fed, most Israelis do not think that Gazans are inherently evil and deserve their misfortune. But there is no way to attack only Hamas, because they insist on actively putting their population at risk, and put no effort into protecting them. The body count serves their propaganda, convincing useful idiots in western countries.

5) Yes, this is true. You realize that Gaza and the West Bank are different places though, right? As much as settler aggression is awful, it does not satisfy atrocities. Justifying Oct 7 in this way is just crazy. You must really not know, or choose to not believe, what happened that day. There are videos, by the way.

6) Most Israelis are not even of European descent. Most are African/Persian/Yemenite...

7) Israel has been attacked multiple times, and won. The occupation of some of the aggressors was the result. I am for a two-state solution, but I don't pretend that Arabs/Palestinians are not to blame for their situation.

8) Resistance, as in rape, beheading, painfully killing on purpose, including children? Many of the people that were gruesomely attacked that day are pro-peace, who had friends in Gaza. What an awful irony. Only monsters like Hamas are capable of this. Again, their actions were so horrific that I understand why it's difficult to believe they actually did this. But there is *tons* of evidence. I also personally know someone who was there, but you probably wouldn't take the word of some anon.

You deny that Hamas are using hospitals as humanitarian shields. Will any amount of evidence convince you that you are wrong?

Anti-semitism is a concept, you are not supposed to take its etymology as its meaning. That would be like objecting to the word "fingernail" because it is not made of metal.

The fact that you are bringing Covid into this is telling. Classic virtue signalling.

Oh hi Hasbara 👋

It’s not complicated. Occupier vs occupied.

Resisting occupation is a human right. That’s why every iconic civil rights leader from this century supports the Palestinian right for self determination. Nelson Mandela, Malcolm X, Mohammed Ali etc. and many more.

“If you don’t believe it or don’t get it, I don’t have the time to try to convince you, sorry.” Satoshi Nakamoto

Of all the brainwashed BS u said, my favorite one is about Israelis being Kannanites/ Yemenis and Persians and not from Europe … it is honestly … chef’s kiss 🤌

Of course it's not complicated to a galaxy brain like yours. Let me bow before you, oh mighty woke worrior king.

And by the way, I also support the Palestinian's right to their own state. But first they've got to be freed from their terrorist regime. How about they elect someone that recognizes Israel's right to exist.

You probably think I'm happy that children in Gaza are dying. Let me reassure you that I am not. It is a horrible cost. I do, however, believe that Hamas is to blame, along with their supporters.

Habibi,

Hamas was formed in 1987. The Zionist ethnic cleansing has been going on since 1948, the year of the Nakba.

When Hamas was formed, Israeli intelligence chiefs encouraged and wanted them to take control of Gaza so they can consider it a hostile territory and implemented the blockade on Gaza and built a wall around it, essentially transforming it to an open air prison. Netnyahu has admitted this in interviews many times before. It’s actually a genius move on Israel’s part. Divide and conquer. They have done this to the Arabs effectively for decades. I actually respect how much better Israel are than the Arabs at the game of thrones. See Wikileaks cable.

https://x.com/wikileaks/status/1718915390842061163?s=46&t=hB_1ujRRfTGjvAVfy8U8Uw

Look at this map. This is what it’s all about. Israel keep taking our land. You’ve been doing it since 1948.

I honestly don’t think you’re a bad guy. Life is not so simple. We don’t live in a marvel movie. I do however think you’ve been fed Zionist propaganda your whole life.

I know about the divide and conquer strategy and I find it abhorrent. I am the opposite of a Bibi supporter. But I don't believe the ethnic cleansing narrative as you present it. The UN recognised Israel, but Arabs wouldn't have it and attacked. In victory, Israel conquered territory. The Nakba would not have happened if the Arab nations accepted the Israeli state.

Some settlers in the West Bank would be happy to kick all the Palestinians out, and some of the population supports then, which is awful. But that doesn't justify terrorism, let alone on the other side of the country against children and even other Arabs!

You don't think I'm a bad guy but you are fine with burning my children alive as I watch and then beheading me? Cool dude.

Of course I am not. I’m a human being, a father, and do not wish harm on any children. I see u as a human being. You do not. How else can u justify killing 4,000 children and counting for 30 days now! Over 4,000! And believing such outlandish and nonsensical lies like Hamas using their own people as human shields and launching rockets from hospital basements, it’s ludicrous.

During genocide the first step is dehumanization. As the Europeans did to the Jews during the pogroms and the holocaust.

Your people said never again, and yet here we are, not 1 generation removed from the horror you experienced at the hands of Germany, you are doing to Palestinians what Hitler did to u! The tragic irony of it all.

Yet, unironically, you are claiming to be the victim?! I am sorry sir, you cannot have it both ways. You were victims in Europe up until WW2. at the hands of Europeans. This is a key point. It was the Europeans who has an issue with the Jews, not the Arabs. Zionists conveniently leave that out of ur history books. Jews and Muslims and Christians have existed in Palestine for thousand of years peacefully.

In Palestine, Israel is the occupier and oppressor, performing ethnic cleansing on the indigenous people, not the victim.

Excuse me for doubting the word of a terrorist organization on their unverifiable numbers. Regardless, even if it was 4 children it would be a tragedy. But the alternative of leaving Hamas in power is far worse. The allied forces had to make the same choice against the Nazis. In any case, it's not a numbers game of whose side has more deaths. That's not a moral argument in any way.

We are disagreeing on fact so there may be nothing more to discuss. I believe the evidence that Hamas is using hospitals, mosques, etc to cover their tunnels and to launch rockets from. Do you agree that, IF that were the case, Hamas is to blame?

You're working so hard to defend Hamas, when they couldn't give less of a fuck about you. They want to die in holy glory and meet their 72 virgins in heaven. You say dehumanization is the first step to genocide. But I'm not dehumanizing the people of Gaza, only those for which the above applies, that fill the ranks of Hamas, especially their leadership. They are part of the Muslim fanatic worldwide movement that horrendously misreads the Qur'an.

I don't understand why you think we blame Arabs for the holocaust. I've never heard that argument in my life from anyone. Nazis hated Arabs too. We do blame the Arabs, generally speaking, for attacking us as we declared independence with the agreement of the UN. Then again in 67. Then again in 73.

I'm not saying Israel is blameless, but in this case there is no comparison. Again, if anything, Israel is to blame for not acting more forcefully against Hamas earlier. Both sides could have been much better off.

Hamas literally say that their goal is to vanquish every Jew from Israel, and we have seen that they would be extra happy if the method was to horrifically kill every Jew. On the other hand, Israel had over half a century to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians. Do you think Israel couldn't do that if it wanted to? It could do that in a week. Why is it taking so long, then?

If you had a button and reversed everything, Hamas being the occupiers and Israelis the occupied, I assure you that every Jew would be dead by the end of the year. They have claimed that in words and proven it with actions.

I would like to know if the US can stand two wars.

Im sorry for those living in poor conditions and a constant state of war. Its not the proper atmosphere for human development and happiness.

I think we always need to go to the roots, and I certainly lack a lot of information. Maybe both have a reasonable claim on the land. I dont know what was the land distribution (at micro level) before the current creation of Israel. Going to individual property rights could help.

But in my head, conciliation can only happen through proper separation. The current distribution of palestinian land (Gaza + Cisjordania) makes little topological sense for palestinian development, the land must be more compacted, and with less border to Israel as possible.

I hope they get tired some day, and apply a pragmatic solution. Israel is the strong side, and as such their iniative is the most important. But their current militar answer doesn't go in that direction.

But I am nobody and l don't know enough. Just sorry for the waste of human lives.

Finally someone here is willing to admit their ignorance. You probably know more than most low-info voters commenting here.

I would like to hear your opinion about - is there a connection between hamas/israel and russia/ukraine conflict, if yes what is the connection.

how do we shut down the media brainwashing machine that manufactures consent?

This reflect my stance 100%. To be honest it is the only thing I can be sure of in the conflict. The information we see across social media is polarising in both directions leading to massive uncertainty in what is actually happening.

Jeff Booth has previously discussed how the current system built on false information will just serve to cause more and more unrest and misinformation. When I see the reports on the news and on social media I cannot help but be reminded of this.

"pro-humanity" = PEACE

It’d be interesting if you could analyze the issue by bringing forward the polarization of ideology and political extremism from both sides and put it into perspective as one of the forces of the long-term debt cycle and describe what are the implications of this conflict for a multipolar world order

my views are worded concisely by Rothbard so I will just share a quote from him to explain my stance: "In the case of Palestine, the victims and their children-the true owners of the land-are right there, beyond the borders, in refugee camps, in hovels, dreaming about a return to their own. Justice will only be served, and true peace in the devastated area will only come, when a miracle happens and Israel allows the Palestinians to stream back in and repossess their rightful property."

For me is quite simple: Hamas = Mosad.

An another PRS, Problem, Reaction, Solution.

Create a Problem: "Hamas" attacked Israel.

Do a "legit" Reaction to it: Kill as many Palestinian as you can.

All the above leads to the Solution for their main goal: conquer the land of Gaza.

Everything Big throughout the history happened according to a PRS structure.

Perhaps it comes down to money in the end. Even strong belief systems are coerced by money, and all people need money. So perhaps by giving both sides more financial freedom and indeed agency they can cross border trade. As a result they can become friends or at least respectful neighbours if they are allowed or able to trade using bitcoin, an emotionally neutral money.

Loving the wishlist request and making the most of it. Perhaps a wider setting to the story would be great.

1. Historically, the influence of religions on politics is evident, especially from the 1800s Christian missionaries and colonization to the recent 70s and 80s in Northern Africa, with the rise of anti-American Islamic movements - there are traces of resurgence in liberal Muslim countries enforcing nationwide Palestine peace agenda while demonizing Israel. Is this a global political or religious movement, or both ?

2. This period 70’s / 80s saw the emergence of more militarily oriented Islamic movements originating from Turkey to South Asia, middle east, northern Africa which eventually became liberal when referenced to a more conservative Islamic movement establishment in the 90s such as Talibans. How is Palestine divided between the right and the left ? What’s the influence of Sunni-Shia fight on Palestine ? How are the Mossads integrated into Israel?

3. American influence on global politics, particularly in Muslim countries and the oil industry, gained prominence post WW2, conquering nuclear power lead, and especially after the formation of the CIA. What's the oil agenda / nuke agenda here ? The US is not initiating peace. What’s the game plan ?

4. The BDS (Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions) movement (Chomsky cover’s it well), has both pros and cons. Has it been effective in building world pressure and recognition ?

5. Is this a tipping point for the Palestine movement that has been growing globally over the years ?

6. Would it kill the UN, the US, and people of the world to recognise Palestine as a country ? Were the past efforts truly considered efforts? Or ostensible ?

7. Disparities in livelihood between funded and prohibited regions (Israel - Palestine) and the growth / decline seen through generations

8. Religious teachings preventing contraceptive use as a means to grow religious groups over the years, have now become a political agenda and advanced paternalistic traits. What is the impact of this on the rate of growth of population for both Israel and Palestine?

9. People globally have strong reactions with very little input nor wanting to look at both sides (sometimes I imagine them as furious cute robots emitting smoke emitting smoke out of anger) - what is the underlying psychology behind this and can be linked to early beliefs instilled by local education and media - and is this for the purpose of establishing political grounds? Similar to the concept of “communism is evil” and “Democracy is Hail Mary”.

10. The perspective of conservative Jews and liberal Jews, and the historical impact of the Holocaust on their identity

11. Why are the Jews among the richest in America and yet consider themselves the most oppressed ?

12. A less-discussed angle involving Russia's role in saving Jews during the Holocaust, being the strongest opponents to the Nazis, and their open door policies to the Jews even today is worth exploring.

I am for peace too. But people are too triggered, so I avoid having this conversation all together. Thanks nostr:npub1a2cww4kn9wqte4ry70vyfwqyqvpswksna27rtxd8vty6c74era8sdcw83a. Good luck on the piece

Good suggestions! The "Holocaust" is mostly Soviet and OSS war propaganda but belief in the propaganda is certainly a driving force in the conflict.

That there should not be any virtue signalling in this conflict. Everybody should be ashamed of such a thing happening today. There is no good or bad side or wrong and good side in this conflict. Both are wrong and everything happening is evil. And I don’t like how the media is handling this how the algorithm nob of the Ukraine war was turned down to 1 and the Israel knob has been turned to 11…

Agreed that it is sad to see what is happening. If you ignore the grievances, of which each side has an endless supply, and simply ask "How do we fix this going forward?"

If I ask myself that question, my answer is: I have no clue. And I don't think that anyone else has any realistic idea how to fix this either.

It is perfectly okay in this situation to feel empathy, and not have an opinion as to what should/could be done.

Hi Lyn, I was born in Cairo and grew up in the middle east to a Christian family and attended public Muslim primary schools. I would welcome your viewpoint and encourage you to share it. You are welcome to discuss it on the BitcoinBasicsPodcast. We've completed over 220 episodes and our guests include Jimmy Song, Mark Yusko, Raoul Pal and Peter McCormack

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Defintely curious to hear your take. As you said, a polarizing issue.

It seems difficult and complicated. With western meddling in every switch and turning all the way in the last hundred years.

The strings of hope are stirred in huge bowl of spaghetti, so you can’t pick one without touching countless of others causing fifth and sixth turn consequences nobody can predict. It’s more than three-body problem.

And it needs to be solved.

You can go into the history, that's important, sure. But regarding current events. Don't make it a numbers game. One side intensionally made innocent people suffer atrociously, while the other, in reaction, is only harming innocents because it has not choice.

Also, there are a lot of "propaganda/fake" claims flying around, but there's nothing easier than calling what you disagree with fake. You have to do your due diligence. You are a serious person and I trust that that is exactly what you will do.

Wow, "Islamic Audiobooks Central" liked my post. I was talking about Hamas's monstrous Oct 7 attack when I wrote "atrocity", and IDF harming civilians only as collateral. I think they misunderstood.

The only person who would spend time analysing the history is the one who wants to judge. The current situation involves who gets to play the greater victim card. Soldiers, I believe, are equally important and innocent as the civilian population.

Is there some oil or gas in this region?

I think the context added from a personal experience is always interesting, but generally won't compell folks to revisit hardened opinions.

It would be interesting to see someone do deeper analysis of how to find the win-win solution for the parties involved.

As an example, 40 years ago, it would have been unfathomable to visit Belfast as a tourist. The 2 sides impacted by the Troubles generally held entrenched positions which fed the actions of extremists on both sides.

Today, it's a great tourist stop of you're in that region. Somehow Senator Mitchell et al. found a way to identify a win-win solution which both sides could sell to their supporters while maintaining face.

NB: These situations are NOT the same. Nobody rationally thinks that. The experiences and mindset of the NI Catholics were not the same as Palestinians. On the other hand, the process by which a MUTUALLY AGREED upon improved situation was found may have some applicability.

This is something that global leadership should have been constantly investigating for the past 25 years. It may take a thorough analysis by an independent thinker on an open platform to push the issue into the mainstream.

There is a win-win solution. There always is. It won't reveal itself easily, and will take more parties at the table than just Israel and the Palestinians. But there is a way.

I look forward to whatever you generate here.

I'm primarily concerned with if this escalates. It is so charged, and the relationships are so complex, it could spiral in totally unpredictable ways. Previous conflicts directly led to a global energy crisis that changed the course of the world, and continues to shape it today. China is highly dependent on energy exports from the region. The region is very dependent of food imports. Many of the Arab nations have foreign policy goals completely at odds with their domestic pressures. The United States, despite posturing, is going to be hesitant to commit to another round of conflict in the Middle East.

Defenders of either side seem to forget how their protegee is actually one of the heads of the same serpent.

Where are the voices shouting in defense of Armenian christians being killed and dislodged by Azerbaijan muslims who receive money and weapons from Israel?

Or to defend the christians being killed in Africa, by muslims.

In Israel, christians are spit on and yelled at or beaten by Jews.

Worldwide, Jews have been financially supporting non-governmental organizations that spread anti-christian ideologies.

Meanwhile, in any Muslim country Christians are persecuted.

How about that?

Is there anything in the west we can do?

Israel is just a US military base to keep Iran and other country in the region in check. Palestine pays the price because they lost their land and home in the process. I find it weird that the US finances Israel with huge amounts since ever and no one finds it strange. All this blood is in US and also puppet EU hands. Defund wars. Also etf is Israel even doing in that part of the world? Look at Israeli people, do they look from the middle east? Lmao.

Are you familiar with the different ancestries of Jews? You are probably focusing on the Ashkenzi, which are not the majority in Israel. The Israeli population is quite diverse.

this war makes the adoption (and development) of #nostr a communal obligation.

War is a symptom

what is the impact?

(No moral assessments. No solutions.)

First and foremost an immediate ceasefire. All nations should be demanding this openly. Then, when a ceasefire is in place, an investigation into all aspects of the Hammad attack and the "land grabbing" situation in Gaza.

Unfortunately this will never happen as there is invested interest from the West to support Israel, even though they look like they are committing genocide. I reiterate the looks like.

Money talks. Separate money from state and a hell of a lot of these problems will disappear. I fear for the worst, what with Israeli officials not ruling out a nuclear strike!

The Israeli "minister of cultural legacy" who commented about the nuclear strike is a joke, the entire office is a made up sham created to bribe him into the coalition. The only reason he is not fired on the spot is that the prime minister is even more beholden to the extreme sides of his coalition than before after losing a lot of popularity in recent polling.

I would try to detach the religious aspects of the conflict (99% of what we perceive going in here, and of which we're all acutely aware) from the economic history of Jewish and Muslim people and their beliefs.

I am of the opinion that for centuries, the interpretations of economic principles from the Bible and the Quran are what led to the real world tensions between Jewish and Muslim populations, particularly around the concept of usury. In the 20th century, whether it was Jewish people or not, our entire global economy is now solely BACKED by credit. Since we live in a society today based on widespread and deliberate financial illiteracy, we point to "religion" as the cause, and while that's technically true, I don't believe it's the complete picture.

I'd also like to hear accounts from clear headed, logical, humanity-driven Palestinian and Israeli people. It is too easy to give hateful single-minded people a platform in this environment, but those accounts help bridge the "fog of war" gap a lot of westerners have to grapple with. The only Palestinian woman I was able to speak to expressed her hatred for Israel, but moreso her fear and hatred for Hamas. She ended by saying she'd forgive Israel for a lot, if Hamas is able to be stopped.

Glad you're willing to speak up. You command a lot of trust and respect, for good reason. You have a closer perspective to this conflict than most. Looking forward to hear your thoughts!

I think, at this stage of history, it is in large part a proxy war between US and Iran. Would love to see some analysis through this lens

as someone from the middle east I can tell you 100% it is not a "Israel/Hamas" problem, if their will ever be a solution you need to look at the root cause. a 100 year conflict and Hamas is 20 years old.

Do the people of Gaza and the moslem world recognize Hamas as terrorists?

Do some Israelis recognize and acknowledge Israeli / Jewish racism against brown people the Jewish folk presume to be middle eastern?

Is there an opposition for Hamas in Gaza? How is Fatah in there for now?

I'd be interested to hear your view of the following hypothetical scenario: Assuming this marks the end of the State of Israel and the beginning of the permanent decline of the American Empire, what do you see occurring over the next 10-20 years?

I would be interested in how much of the conflict persisting is industrial military complex and some people profiting off of it. People of all religions can and do live together peacefully. Everyone wants their children to grow up well and to have a peaceful environment. Why is this not how things are going in the middle East?

I personally cannot have an opinion on this.

From an outside perspective the beginning seems to be the same as in Golf war.

This scared me.

I would be really gratefull if you would be able to forward information 1to1 from people you know are close to it and recognize things.

The most valuable thing is information from first party perspective given by a trustworthy source.

Hope to be able to have an opinion about this in future.

Thank you Lyn

I hope the best for your family not to be affected.

I’m a big fan of yours and feel that you will be fair wherever you land, but my suggestions would be…

First, any sincere analysis must start with the acknowledgement that Gaza is run by a terrorist organization whose mission statement is to “obliterate” Israel. This isn’t disputed. Second, the following geographic reality should be factored in:

Humanity at its base layer shouldn’t tolerate this. Not 1 person had a choice what you would be before you arrived in this world. Yet we quickly adopted “ I am better than you” existence. We all are here 1 time and people choose to use out finite existence to kill innocent people! 🤷🏾‍♂️

Looking forward to your thoughts! I don’t know nearly as much about this topic as I likely should. Also curious of the role of Netanyahu in particular, seems he has been in and out of power since I was a teenager at least.

peepee poopoo

astonishingly this is one of the better comments on this topic

Good Answer

I’m Jewish and despite my best efforts to be unbiased and anti-state I usually fall in favor of Israel.

I find any historical claim on either side to the land to be ridiculous. We are where we are at this point. Israel has won many military conflicts, offered many peace deals. Hammas isn’t interested in negotiating. I also think the British used the Jews to take care of their dirty work.

We would have been better off in the Congo. But here we are, what is Israel supposed to do when Hammas says there is no negotiation possible and they are hell bent on the destruction of Israel?

It’s a tragedy, but the only way this ends is the destruction of Hammas or the destruction of Israel. These are extremists.

I do not understand why no Arab countries will take Palestinian refugees. There’s a lot I don’t understand. I also listened to Kushner on Lex Friedman and it seemed like maybe there was a path to peace, but that’s been well and truly botched at this point.

Anyway, that’s my stream of thoughts, hope it helps. Looking forward to reading what you put out.

Looking forward to it. I have Jewish family who almost won’t speak to me if I give any hint of a joint solution. It’s rough out there 🙏

Historic Analysis: Did Israel initially buy most of the land rightfully or was it "given" to them by the British?

Future Outlook: What is a realistic perspective for the 2m inhabitants of Gaza LT?

How far back should we go? Did the Palestinians buy their land? The British? The Ottomans? The Byzantines? The Greeks?

The world's population is in the stranglehold of an invisible power

I look forward to it. I would like to know the true history of this conflict. When i read about it, I see both sides being right, and both sides being wrong....

Israel needs to completely eliminate Hamas if there is to be any prospect of extended peace. Hamas started this fight with the horrific murder of civilians and continues to hold hostages while it hides underneath hospitals and behind civilian women and children. Israel seeks to minimize civilian casualties while Hamas seeks to maximize civilian casualties. This has been it's pattern of conduct for decades. It's the nature of the beast. There is no moral equivalence.

Didn't Israel fund Hamas?

Israel bribed Hamas covertly. It was too convenient to put off the problem of dealing with those animals. Israel had been paying for that mistake in small doses for years, and on Oct 7 payed big time. At least the lesson was finally learned, it seems.

I have no clue what to think about the topic except that civilians, especially children, dying is horrific.

Wow. So much to unpack. I think Nostr is the only place to have any kind of honest conversation that wouldn't get bogged down in a tribal argument or devolve into a hate-filled drama.

Being someone of a similar hue to the Palestinians, the Islamic religion I was schooled in when younger and having lived through the last days of Apartheid South Africa, my allegiances are with the Palestinian struggle for their birthright.

I think a single state is the only solution and we need to come together to make that a reality. This kind of violence makes me ashamed to be human and powerless to do anything meaningful, except be a keyboard warrior and worrier.

ignore it

It’s easy. Root for the folks who don’t force civilians to stay in a dangerous area so that they can use the civilians as shields. Analysis done.

Vous savez ces situations la communication demeure l'arme fatale .

Prenez du recul avec les médias (l'arme fatale) je ne souhaite point avec nos progrès actuels en termes d'armement nous allons vers notre Perte...la communication se polararise dans les tous continents......c'est juste limite en entre l'Inde qui exterminer aussi ceux de l'Utah Pradessh face Pakistan, l'Iran qui est contre l'Arabie-Saoudite et ses cousins des Emirats qui quasiment isolé par les dirigeants comme étant un État de droit ...nous sommes dans un bourbier qui peut exploser avec les USA qui se devrait d'être neutre.

* l'Iran considéré 1 Etat de non droit que Bibi et ses allies eulent t bien faire explosé*

Votre français est…différent.

pro-humanity first = <3

i would like to see the refuge crisis addressed ... it's my understanding that no one wants to accept that role, and if this escalates into a broader regional conflict, millions more will be in a state of limbo, caught in the cross-fire.

logistically, i can understand why no country wants to take on large numbers of refugees, but to me, neglecting this reality is just as much of an atrocity as the violence committed by any side, and if action is not taken, this neglect will retrospectively be viewed as an abomination.

is there any progress or good news to share on this subject?

War. War never changes.

That a reference to the game Fallout?

A well reasoned discussion will be refreshing. I’m weary of yelling judgment and condemnation.

As part of your reflections on the topic I would encourage you to honestly answer the likely outcome of two questions:

1, What would happen if tomorrow Israel laid down their weapons and said they would fight no more?

2. What would happen if tomorrow Palestinians laid down their weapons and said they would fight no more?

In the first case, Israel would be annihilated. In the second case, there would be peace.

One side wants to live in peace and simply exist. The other side does not recognize the others right to exist.

It's not about land or borders. Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005. If it was about borders, Palestine would be a separate state today, but they've rejected every single concession over the last few decades. Those in power don't want a state that also recognizes Israel's right to exist. As demonstrated all over the world, Palestinians, their sympathizers, and the Muslim world in general, hate Jews and want them destroyed.

Any honest reflection on your part should present those facts plainly.

That is what I have heard forever as well. But on deeper inspection, the issue is with all the Palestinians that fled after the first war and were never allowed back into the land Israel took / where they lived inside 1948 Israel. Now I can make sense of that because 700k-1M + people that don’t really like Israel living in Israel is something I don’t think would work out? But the false narrative that “why don’t the other Arab countries take them in” keeps propagating. The Palestinians are nothing like the surrounding Arab Nations. We will never know what would have happened if everyone accepted the 1948 borders and UN agreement.

But here we are. And make no mistake. The Likud and conservative Israeli population wants to get rid of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. They aren’t going about it like Hamas does against Israel, but there are bad things happening to innocent people in Gaza and the West Bank by Israelis.

I wish it were as simple as Palestinians lay down their arms. But we live in the real world and something must really be done to bring the Palestinians out of the dumpster they are in for them to live in peace.

I see both sides making convincing arguments why they have claim to the land. Can we verify this? Is one side lying and the other side telling the truth? Looking at the history of the land is one thing but how do we solve the current issue now? Is there a solution where both groups will be content? If history trumps all then the American Indians deserve to have their land back.

100%

You can’t go by who was on the land first. Land/boundaries constantly evolve. How hypocritical to tell Palestinians, Israelis were here first yet in the US, as you said, Native Americans bet the short end of the stick. So while I have been taught that if Arab countries accepted the 1948 borders, we wouldn’t be in this situation. But they didn’t and here we are. If we allow Putin to take Crimea, Ossetian, etc., should we really be giving thought to giving the land back from the 1948 and Yom Kippur Wars?

All I known is it is incredibly complicated and a lot of bad actors are involved on both sides.

Follow the money and the petroleum.

Is there differing opinions between family members on the issue?

It’s important for people to understand the polarity first- where it stems from, how it’s fueled, and who it benefits (on both sides).

I would like to have all facts laid out on the table to understand the whole context. There is too much narrative being pushed but i find it hard to get to the core of the truth

There are videos of Oct 7. Don't know how to make it more simple than that.

.....I have family in Ukraine and Israel. Some moved from Ukraine to Israel years ago. My Aunt's family. Both places affected by wars

Politics are very toxic

It is an extremely sad situation! The world leaders are doing nothing to stop it! Because they want it to continue! Men should be men and fight each others in the battlefield and not hide behind their weapons and kill innocent women and children! I pray for peace 🕊️everyday!

I want to know what the regular people think and feel. Not the political activists, not the militant leaders. The regular people, the families, the parents, the children who are doing their best to live a happy life.

let me guess, it will walk a fine line and not take either side.

Unnecessary death of civilian bad

Absolutely; there's currently too much pro-Israel spin on the mainstream right and too much pro-Palestine spin on the dissident right.

Analysis of how Israeli defenses could have failed so badly against what should have been well known and prepared for attack vectors. Research into the supposed change of venue of the music festival, who made the change and why. Analysis of the potential motives of allowing an attack to play out to justify retaliation. I appreciate you taking on this difficult subject matter. Hopefully truth can be found amidst the noise.

When the truth is boring, complicated, and disappointed, people look for other narratives. This is a classic example of that. The by-far most likely explanation is a series of small mistakes of the IDF (allowing "civilian" activity on the border, not reinstalling balloon-floating cameras, diverting attention to the West Bank, etc), together with excellent preparation by Hamas (Iranian help, only letting the lower ranks know the plan hours before the attack, etc).

But wouldn't it be so cool if there was this conspiracy that involved hundreds of people being ok with their own people dying, when none of these people ever showed a sign that they think that is morally justified? Let's work real hard to convince ourselves that is what happened, regardless of any evidence that we are too lazy to look into.

Interesting perspective. In light of the many notable events of the last 3 years, do you discount the value of questioning the popular media/state narratives? That's what I'm trying to explore here. A series of small mistakes is an interesting theory but IMO can't explain a massive intelligence and protocol failure that combined with the response is resulting in a significant and increasing death toll of innocent lives. I think its valid to explore these and other ideas in search of the truth despite your assertion that your theory obviously explains it all. Which is lazier, simply accepting the popular narrative or questioning it?

A lot of conspiracy theories start out as questions like this, without any intention to actually look for evidence, or ever be convinced that whatever outlandish idea presented is wrong. But I realize I was picking on you even though you were probably asking honestly. My immune system overreacting maybe. Still, if you really want an answer you will have to start by actually evaluating the "popular narrative". You can't just say "IMO" because of some intuition you have and be satisfied with that. The narrative is popular for a reason. If it was false you would probably hear at least some reputable voices speaking against it, offering contradictory evidence. I haven't come across any. No one seems to dispute what I said before other than "raising questions", which is the laziest thing in the world.

There were no reputable voices opposing the popular narratives regarding covid and it's origins and the risks of jabs etc., except all the reputable voices that were, that were being censored. But OK. I didn't invent these concerns and observations out of nowhere. Massive intelligence failures resulting in death and possible alternate explanations and motives are certainly worth considering. Or you can just assume covid19 came from a wet market and the level 4 covid biolab was just coincidental. Trust the science or actually practice science via skeptical analysis? You choose for yourself. I'll choose skepticism and analysis over assumptions and trusting the popular narrative every time.

Science isn't just posing questions and pointing out seeming coincidences. You are pretending to do science, not actually doing it.

You are doing exactly what I said at the start. Covid having originated from a wet market is boring, and random, and unsatisfying. The cooler narrative is that it was smuggled out of a lab. That makes a good movie.

Look, I'm not rejecting the theory, I'm just dismissing it until there is some concrete evidence, and people who actually spent their life studying this stuff done it convincing.

You sound "vaccinated".

Looking forward to reading this Lyn. I’m not qualified to opine on the subject but I’m interested in how you see it through your lense.

I don't think it's on the top 10 list of major world problems.

I just see it as a distraction from the Biden corruption, censorship, ESG agenda, etc., etc

For your information added to all j reply after your notes, 🙏💜

https://twitter.com/ZiryabJ/status/1718261611339649355?t=MPgR26g9dQ-Ffs19TYQ8OQ&s=19

May I ask why you feel it is important that you share your opinion on this?

One this is sure UN have lost a lot more reputation during this war. Now they are almost a joke.

I am looking forward to reading this.

Where to start….?

I’m trying to understand the connection that Biden made with Ukraine. I can see the argument that as a democracy we want to support other democracies…. But it seems to me that between Russia and Ukraine that Russia is the aggressor and Ukraine is the underdog. But with Israel vs Gaza— while Hamas did strike with an attack, and is therefore the ‘agressor’…. I would still characterize Hamas and the Palestinians as the underdogs overall. So I’m skeptical of why Israel would need an emergency multi- billion $ rescue package from the US. IMHO, If they can’t afford a ground war in Gaza, then they should consider other options. Also— although I do support Ukraine politically, it baffles me that the US is spending $ on both of these wars when we can’t even pay our own debts/ deficits. The answer I come to is that the US military industrial complex is the main beneficiary of both, which leads me to think how horrific it is that some Americans and some American companies are benefiting from these horrific atrocities and this insane fiat clownworld is what seems to be making it all possible.

I personally am already irresponsibly long Bitcoin to quote Peter McCormack, but this just makes me want to stack sats even harder.

Really looking forward to this! Would be great to have your usual in-depth analysis about both the historical underpinnings and what the future could look like from here for both sides (particularly from the refugee / endangered civilians aspect)

I love that - I am pro humanity first and foremost 😍

Jeff Booth says “All of the war and divide we see in the world today is a result of the system we live in.”

The conflict is part of a major plan. Both sides are tools for DeepState.

Same old polarizing technique.

Divide to conquer.

Both sides are puppets.

Meanwhile lots of things are happening withou corporate media and independent media if there is such a thing talk about war.

My take: Religion sucks

Let’s make both #Buddhism ☸️

and Atheism the only 2 options for scaled religious belief systems. And see 50% of global conflict vanish overnight.

Of course wishful thinking. And the reason why we live in a world of 💩

Does any of those offer eternity with 72 virgins? You see the problem?

What has blown me away are the sheer number of people that just absolutely do not care/excuse mass slaughter of innocent people, using the most paper thin of excuses.

The mundane lesson of the Holocaust that’s always overlooked. It‘s not about racism, authoritarianism or any other gimmick you can point to to say that it cannot be you. It‘s the way ordinary people behave. When you need an excuse you will find one.

Who created the state of Israel and what motives did they have?

Israel is the only state in the world where Jews can be a majority. They do not have the luxury to "let things unfold" and see what happens. As a consequence, as unfair as it is, demilitarization has to be unilateral on the Arabs' part, and only then should Israel even consider it. In the meantime, anything Israel does can and should be construed as consolidation, in case they ever truly have to give in and make concessions.

I find it such a complex issue. I know my bias as I was raised Jewish. From our point of view, Jews were given land in 1948 for their own state and then immediately attacked by surrounding countries. They defended and took land. Prior to the attack people on the land (Palestinians) were told to leave so they wouldn’t get caught in the fighting. They never were allowed back. The attacks and defense and land grabs happened a couple more times.

We like to think if they just accepted the country in 1948, we wouldn’t be in this mess today. Palestinians continually reject peace deals. That’s what we are told. I think it is more complicated. Those 700k+ refugees don’t identify with the surrounding countries. I understand why they want their land back. I just wish there was a solution because what would happen to Israel if 700k+ people just came back. Especially since there is not a good relationship there anyway.

By the way, before Israel was a State, Jews committed terror attacks on the British. But most Israelis won’t talk about that. That’s why I understand why Palestinians are doing what they are doing in Gaza, though I fully reject that as a good strategy.

IMO, the war machines/power plays on all sides needs to continue to be fed and that is why no solution exists.

My fear is that the situation spills over into countries like Egypt and Jordan and instead of them being friendly states, end up becoming terror states.

I do look forward to your views on this seemingly unsolvable situation.

Ooof. Sorry for posting 5 times. My phone froze and I kept hitting post.

I find it such a complex issue. I know my bias as I was raised Jewish. From our point of view, Jews were given land in 1948 for their own state and then immediately attacked by surrounding countries. They defended and took land. Prior to the attack people on the land (Palestinians) were told to leave so they wouldn’t get caught in the fighting. They never were allowed back. The attacks and defense and land grabs happened a couple more times.

We like to think if they just accepted the country in 1948, we wouldn’t be in this mess today. Palestinians continually reject peace deals. That’s what we are told. I think it is more complicated. Those 700k+ refugees don’t identify with the surrounding countries. I understand why they want their land back. I just wish there was a solution because what would happen to Israel if 700k+ people just came back. Especially since there is not a good relationship there anyway.

By the way, before Israel was a State, Jews committed terror attacks on the British. But most Israelis won’t talk about that. That’s why I understand why Palestinians are doing what they are doing in Gaza, though I fully reject that as a good strategy.

IMO, the war machines/power plays on all sides needs to continue to be fed and that is why no solution exists.

My fear is that the situation spills over into countries like Egypt and Jordan and instead of them being friendly states, end up becoming terror states.

I do look forward to your views on this seemingly unsolvable situation.

I find it such a complex issue. I know my bias as I was raised Jewish. From our point of view, Jews were given land in 1948 for their own state and then immediately attacked by surrounding countries. They defended and took land. Prior to the attack people on the land (Palestinians) were told to leave so they wouldn’t get caught in the fighting. They never were allowed back. The attacks and defense and land grabs happened a couple more times.

We like to think if they just accepted the country in 1948, we wouldn’t be in this mess today. Palestinians continually reject peace deals. That’s what we are told. I think it is more complicated. Those 700k+ refugees don’t identify with the surrounding countries. I understand why they want their land back. I just wish there was a solution because what would happen to Israel if 700k+ people just came back. Especially since there is not a good relationship there anyway.

By the way, before Israel was a State, Jews committed terror attacks on the British. But most Israelis won’t talk about that. That’s why I understand why Palestinians are doing what they are doing in Gaza, though I fully reject that as a good strategy.

IMO, the war machines/power plays on all sides needs to continue to be fed and that is why no solution exists.

My fear is that the situation spills over into countries like Egypt and Jordan and instead of them being friendly states, end up becoming terror states.

I do look forward to your views on this seemingly unsolvable situation.

I find it such a complex issue. I know my bias as I was raised Jewish. From our point of view, Jews were given land in 1948 for their own state and then immediately attacked by surrounding countries. They defended and took land. Prior to the attack people on the land (Palestinians) were told to leave so they wouldn’t get caught in the fighting. They never were allowed back. The attacks and defense and land grabs happened a couple more times.

We like to think if they just accepted the country in 1948, we wouldn’t be in this mess today. Palestinians continually reject peace deals. That’s what we are told. I think it is more complicated. Those 700k+ refugees don’t identify with the surrounding countries. I understand why they want their land back. I just wish there was a solution because what would happen to Israel if 700k+ people just came back. Especially since there is not a good relationship there anyway.

By the way, before Israel was a State, Jews committed terror attacks on the British. But most Israelis won’t talk about that. That’s why I understand why Palestinians are doing what they are doing in Gaza, though I fully reject that as a good strategy.

IMO, the war machines/power plays on all sides needs to continue to be fed and that is why no solution exists.

My fear is that the situation spills over into countries like Egypt and Jordan and instead of them being friendly states, end up becoming terror states.

I do look forward to your views on this seemingly unsolvable situation.

I find it such a complex issue. I know my bias as I was raised Jewish. From our point of view, Jews were given land in 1948 for their own state and then immediately attacked by surrounding countries. They defended and took land. Prior to the attack people on the land (Palestinians) were told to leave so they wouldn’t get caught in the fighting. They never were allowed back. The attacks and defense and land grabs happened a couple more times.

We like to think if they just accepted the country in 1948, we wouldn’t be in this mess today. Palestinians continually reject peace deals. That’s what we are told. I think it is more complicated. Those 700k+ refugees don’t identify with the surrounding countries. I understand why they want their land back. I just wish there was a solution because what would happen to Israel if 700k+ people just came back. Especially since there is not a good relationship there anyway.

By the way, before Israel was a State, Jews committed terror attacks on the British. But most Israelis won’t talk about that. That’s why I understand why Palestinians are doing what they are doing in Gaza, though I fully reject that as a good strategy.

IMO, the war machines/power plays on all sides needs to continue to be fed and that is why no solution exists.

My fear is that the situation spills over into countries like Egypt and Jordan and instead of them being friendly states, end up becoming terror states.

I do look forward to your views on this seemingly unsolvable situation.

It is shocking how many peace loving smart people are being led to be complacent with this genocide. It is also interesting to watch how the new internet media is slowly eroding the old zionist narratives. Many zionists are revealing themselves as racist and bigots towards arabs and muslims. They now openly call it a war and also openly say no amount of deaths of children is too much.

I recommend this video for a calm sensitive evaluation.

https://youtu.be/SHDBw-wx6w0?si=9rmEzR8IPpQo12R8

You might find this interesting too. It reminds me a bit of the military psyop manual (if you are interested, I can share that too)

https://twitter.com/Phyl3R/status/1721841416274313425?t=jJc96K_HL_Oh_k_Qm_TsEg&s=19

There is no alternative but eradication of Hamas. My worry is the MIC will be looking at ways to exploit the situation beyond to pursue another forever war

My view and so also what i want to see addressed

Israel’s various governments have been good at never explicitly saying they want everything “from the river to the sea” but acting to get it. So overall Palestinians are getting robbed of “their land”

At the same time, on a map, even “from the river to the sea” big israel is tiny and surrounded by muslims countries, and muslim countries whose jews and christians (numerous before) have massively fled

+ Palestine was never a country nor was there a very specific Palestinian culture or history (even though there is now, that is what violence does, what nakba does)

So one can’t help to wonder if everything would not be better and simpler if Israel got the west bank (i am not even sure they want gaza) Gaza probably is part of Egypt, west bank palestinians relocate to Jordan, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia etc and it is settled. It sounds like promoting ethnic cleansing and so it is really bad etc but practically it would be better for everyone even if unfair in many ways

No delete possible but would add: obv it would be better to have 2 states or, to have the west bank be part of Jordan - but i don’t think thid will happen realistically any time soon

I was shocked by the barbarity of Hamas‘ initial attacks. However, this feeling was quickly overturned with incredulity about Israel‘s massive military response. Made me think how could they not have seen this coming or if it was willingly taken into account to create a cold-blooded pretext.

I‘d love to see more analysis on the mid- and long-term consequences for a) Palestinian civilians that were displaced; b) political situation between Israel and Palestine (death of the two-state solution?); c) wider geopolitical situation in the Middle East

...

I'm curious to hear your assessment. My questions would be:

1) What do you make of the conflation of support for Palestinians with support for Hamas, and any criticism of Israel as antisemitism?

2) Whether you agree with Saif's assessment that what Israel is doing now is cynically trying to create a humanitarian disaster such that other nations have to take the 2.2 million Gazans as refugees.

3) How do you see the competing property rights claims?

4) If Israel to a large extent created their own boogeyman in Hamas?

5) What are your thoughts on the US govt's role in all of this and their support of Israel?

6) Why is it that those who seemingly can't fight themselves are the quickest to advocate mass killing?

Thanks for taking this one on Lyn. It's the ultimate rabbit hole.

I suppose what I would like to know about most is how the region existed prior to the establishment of Israel and a bit about the history of zionism as an ideology.

It is my understanding that Jews and Musilms lived together in relative peace up until the Balfour Declaration.

I'm interested in how much of this has to do with the proposed Ben Gurion Canal?

Can’t wait to hear your breakdown.

What solution comes to your mind ?

Warfare seems to be the default mode for settling existential human disputes. Perhaps you can reach out to Major Jason Lowery of Softwar to speculate on how Bitcoin and hashpower could reduce the need for physical warfare in the Israeli and Hamas power struggle.

But then you didn't.