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Many of us refuse to go along with the prevailing narratives, not because we’re Luddite’s, but because we see clearly the grift that you describe.

Paying an environmentalist group to lobby on behalf of politically unfavourable ideas has long been a tactic of those who seek to impose their will on the world.

Sadly, this is a more representative description of what modern ‘environmentalism’ has become.

It has far more to do with power and control, than it does with true stewardship of our planet.

The so called technologies of the future should be welcomed, but should be subject to the same free market conditions as any other good or service. They should not be mandated by those who profess to be able to predict the weather, 50 years in advance.

I have tried to remain open minded, with respect to things like electric vehicles.

I was enthused by the potential to improve air quality, however recently I have been coming to understand that the increased weight of the vehicles is causing much faster wear on the tyres and break discs, increasing the rate of particulate release from these materials, in turn creating its own form of air pollution.

I’m also hearing from people who have purchased expensive electric vehicles, on the promise that they could drive a ~300 mile range, that they’re now choosing to take their beat up bangers on long trips, instead, as the range of the EV significantly depletes, if they want to use the radio, or perhaps the air conditioning…

These are all important aspects of the conversation that are left out. Along side the refusal to talk about things like how wonderful it would be to have a global increase in crop yields, off the back of a small increase in atmospheric temperature...

Until we can align ourselves around the pursuit of truth, as our underlying guiding principal, I think it’s quite reasonable that good people reserve their right to continuing using the ways and means that have served them well for thousands of years.

That doesn’t preclude us from innovating, and I believe the hydrogen & water technologies could well play a part in that. But let’s do it on the free market of ideas, and not by decree.

I haven’t studied water batteries much at all but look forward to learning more. Thanks for that.

You’re absolutely right about these things but, but but but, the creativity of individuals and a decentralized movement such as nostr and bitcoin mean that real people in developing countries can lift themselves up into a decent life…without burning fossil fuels.

So I think that was the big inning of this thread.

Developing nations should be able to burn their way to “the future”.

I think there’s a more creative way.

I think heavy industry does not “produce” the way the market thinks it does due to all the downstream effects.

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there's a lot of money being spent trying to convince people that those downstream effects are much worse than they really are....

if they were philosophically consistent, they would be equally as up in arms about the quantities of glyphosate being dumped onto the worlds food supply.... but oddly enough, the same forces are silent on this...

seems like they're only concerned with taking aim at the things that make us strong and powerful as a developed nation...

Any number of basic supply chain issues could do a pretty big number on our “strong and powerful nation”. Power grid, internet cables, hospital system, truck delivery systems…our banking system! Yes, we got a bunch of big guns I guess.