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I’m making assumptions about your concept of God based on your use of and support for Jesus. Doesn’t the bible say jesus hung out with prostitutes? It is highly unlikely that he didn’t fuck any of them. But, I am sure he only fucked the ones of legal age. Whether or not something is wrong or right comes down to the social moray present in time. What is evil today was socially acceptable some other time in history. Many Christians seem to practice selective outrage. Lot fucked his daughters. The way the story is written in the bible, was that his daughters got him drunk and fucked him. This is the guy… the one god saved in a cave fucking his daughters. So, out of the two of us, only one is a Christian who thinks god favors child fuckers.

Jeff Swann 1y ago

You should stop assuming things... like I said, most Christians disagree with my views.

Take all the magic out of the story. Make Jesus a carpenter who was born in total povery to a mom that whored herself to some rich "wise men" behind Joseph's back. Jesus grows up poor & has to fix everything to have anything. Then being a builder & someone who had to figure out how things really work, went around teaching people how to live better lives & how to better cultivate crops & catch fish & to heal ailments that people thought couldn't be healed (carnivores are doing similar things today, it doesn't have to be magic). And his popularity & unconventional thinking were eventually seen as a threat to people in power so he was tortured & killed by govt & religious authorities for disobeying the law by helping someone on the wrong day. But his execution ultimately backfires & dramatically shifts popular opinion about the nature of govt & established religious authorities. So much so that our dates are built around him, people deified him & still worship him thousands of years later.

Compress the stories, play the telephone game, translate & re-translate, realize that govts don't want normies to follow the example set by Jesus & normies don't want the responsibility of having to stand up for anything, so everyone want him to be larger than life so they can say but "who am I to do what he did" or "but who are you." Twist the story to incorporate some previously held religious beliefs that were over taken by Christianity. And I think you get roughly the mess we have today.

But when you take all the magic out of the story does it become more or less meaningful? I think it becomes more meaningful. Much like Julian Assange, or Snowden, or Ulbrict, a man tried to show people reality in defiance of authority & he was killed for it. If we place that story in the position of highest importance and remember that we don't want to be on the side that kills or persecutes innocent people, then the world is more likely to become a better place.

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Apatight⚡️ 1y ago

What if I told you the story of Jesus is not unique to Christianity? Our dates are not built around him, he was infused into pre-existing dates to give that religion relevance in the face of paganism. This is where reading history and other religions gives you a broader perspective and context. Saying that you believe Jesus was a real person who lived but Christians don’t agree with your views, is like saying your belief in the easter bunny really pisses off the establishment. You are really close by wanting to take the magic out, now realize, there is 0 historical record outside of the fake texts of the bible that make mention of Jesus. 0.

Jeff Swann 1y ago

Well, govts & authorities tend to twist & coopt significant popular figures more often than they create them. And I mentioned the parts being added in from the religions that christianity consumed.

But if it's all completely fake & there was no Jesus at all, then who manufactured the story & to what end?

Apatight⚡️ 1y ago

That is a great search for you. Wonderful question. Find that out for yourself as I or any other folks have. The history is there. Start with the translation, than missing books of the bible and the authorities who hold those, then get into Martin Luther, then the crusades, paganism, etc. It’s all there.

Here’s an abstract thought, if you’re capable of believing that god has always existed and didn’t need a creator, then you are capable of accepting no creator was needed.

Jeff Swann 1y ago

I don't think a creator was needed, I think the structure of reality is what created everything. It doesn't even seem like we are in the same conversation. You don't seem to understand a single thing that I say. Like the fact that I use the word God (event though I have defined it multiple times) flips some irrational angry switch in your brain.

It's also weird to me that you think the random details of the bible are trustworthy, I think the details are the least trustworthy things. You think someone lived for like 300 years?