Nostr devs really underestimate how much people hate ai
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But I just turned some of our Christmas photos into Norman Rockwell paintings……
Loving AI is definitely in the zeitgeist here. Being around people I don't see often over Christmas was an eye opener as to how many people are really against it.
really? my normie friends apparently love it much to my dismay
I use AI as a dev and in very specific personal things.
But I would never use it beyond very tight very specific bounds. I don't want it to be everywhere. I don't want to consume or use anything made by AI. And I think that's a pretty widespread stance.
People in power do want AI everywhere though because it gives them more influence and control. Devs, according to power projection theory, are in the same class of people.
Completely agree with you đź’Ż
I’ve loosened my view on using AI heavily in development, but what I can’t stand is poorly architected and maintained slop. There are so many nostr “devs” producing clients that don’t work at all and it’s a major turn off. And if they manage to make it work, the UI looks the same as literally everything else and there’s no real reason to use it.
Turns out, being a good engineer still matters in the age of LLMs.
This 🔥
I don't hate AI, I just think these morons are misusing a tool.
Like they're using a hammer to put screws in, it's retarded and annoying
How? There is only one app I know of that does AI and nostr and its specifically for devs (Shakespeare)
Because of all the "hooray vibez coding" energy maybe?
Yeah, but also images for apps, default banner images, website images, blog posts etc etc.
Generally you see way more usage of AI images in blog posts, pfps and on the timeline on nostr than anywhwre else (in my experience at least).
It also adds up to: This is the place for people who like ai images
Ha! Fair. Guilty. 🤖
What do you think of this theory:
Part of the reason people hate AI in is because of the sense of implicit deception. It's just a database, but it feels like it's pretending to be people. And we hate pretend people from our souls.
It's just a database, but it apes us and that naturally rubs us the wrong way. Too human-ish and yet nobody is home.
Other reasons too, for sure, but what do you think of that about the kind of visceral reaction? Kind of an uncanny valley thing...
Maybe, if think a lot of it is just that it is a terrible aesthetic decision, and that in itself points to a larger red flag. Eg: 'if this dev is making au h an awful aesthetic decision, what does this say about the project in general?'
But yes I think more generally AI images are now pretty much associates with the deception of especially the more vulnerable and gullible, scams and what not. Which no one likes.
For me, I hate the database because it drastically isolates the people who produce the data from the people who use it. The kind of feedback and backchannels that come from two human beings interacting with eachother and eachother's work is the very thing that helps people to improve and is the only reason good data exists in the first place.
A human trained on an artwork will often engage with the artist and that artwork. An AI web scraper never will. People joke about "thank you"s directed at AIs wasting large amounts of energy, but the real waste is that none of those thank-yous will trickle backward towards the people who most deserve them.
That's a very insightful point about the thank yous. Thank you. It's like the inverse of zaps, in that sense.
the fact that long form articles are expected to have a cover image makes people prone to generate one
I'm thinking especially of amethyst. The default banner for people who have not put a profile banner is ai slop of the worst order.
This is a terrible look
But no one seemingly cares at at amethyst about this decision. It's like they don't want blew people on nostr lol
nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z why not just have a harmless gradient image there?
Anyone can make the gradient. It usually looks worse.
worse than some AI slop?
you're the one who makes the defaults
Because the devs like ai slop and don't really care that it puts more people off than attracts people.
How many people will ai slop potentially put off?
How many people would stay because of the ai slop banner image?
This is pretty poor risk:reward imo
Talk is cheap. Send me a new image and I will change if it is better than the AI slop.
Literally anything you can randomly pick copyright free on unsplash is immediately better:
The problem is that these are not better than ai slop because you seem to like AI slop, so I doubt you'll find anything better than:
Come on man.. the job is to find one that looks good in EVERY SINGLE PROFILE. Don't offload a page with tons of options that don't even make any sense to us. You are the one asking for it. This doesn't require any technical skill. You can find one that works.
Also, you don't want AI slop, but you are perfectly fine with ultra-generic, corporate-looking, boring STOCK photos that have no soul whatsoever? That is indeed worse. The current image is fun, unique, and connects the topics of "Social", Bitcoin, and touching grass at the same time, while using our mascot Amy (a baby ostrich) as a base. It was created to celebrate Ametyst's first year, and that is why it is a "birthday" scene.
Find something that has a story... that connects to us as a community. Not some boring stock image that could be used in any app.
I'm glad you said this, making it clear you do prefer the AI slop over basically anything and that finding anything "better" will be impossible
why should amethyst celebrate its birthday on users cover images?
why should amethyst be about bitcoin?
questions that will not have good answers, but I still like amethyst
Simply because we haven't found anything better to put there. This was the most interesting image we got that more or less aligns with the community we built.
Again, no one has ever sent me an actual proposal to change, and you two are the only ones even talking about it in over 2 years. I accept the help. Just find something interesting that connects with what Amethyst is.
ok I truly appreciate you taking your time to answer this and understand your position
I don't mind using AI if it is better.
If you can't create/find something better than an AI slop, then that says more about you than me.
I think it sounds very much like you like the current default banner and see no problem with it anyway. So not sure you'd take any suggestions seriously anyway by the sounds of it lol.
nostr:nprofile1qqs9n2vvq3u5faj75s8nwe24tmjcn06sxcl57lw02k2vxkzthvfl7espz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezumrpdejz7qg6waehxw309ashyapwdehhxarjveex2cttwvhxxmmd9uq3vamnwvaz7tm9v3jkutnwdaehgu3wd3skuep0m4ums7 has offered to make a handdrawn banner..that would fit and exceed all the criteria the AI slop (supposedly) meets.
Happy to take a look. I am not sure if I saw what Purple Painter made.
I do not guarantee that mine would be “better” but it would be hand-drawn. And it could simply be what it already is.
It would be immediately better and fit the 'story' and 'community' aspect that Vitor mentioned.
I still think Vitor will prefer the ai slop tho. There's no accounting for taste.
Hopefully I'm wrong tho lol.
I often am
...Anyone can make an AI generated image too.
Have you considered comissioning an actual human being to make a default Amethyst banner? It will shut people up and you can just think of it as artificial AI.
What kind of point is this? Anyone can make AI slop.
Yep, we are an open source project. Anyone can send a new image for me to change. But nobody has done so. Literally nobody. Not in this thread. Talk is cheap. Create something better and send me over. I will happily change if it is better.
there are so many neutral images that look good around
it makes no sense to use AI slop
its so ugly
AI will obliterate them.
I do not hate the wide and nobile field of AI, a field of computer science old nearly as modern computer science itself.
I do detest OpenAI, the fact that some idiots actually believe their shit, the fact that morons think "vibe coding" is as good as knowing how to code, the whole aesthetics of AI-generated images (generated by the tasteless), those who ruin social media by posting AI-generated text, the whole "in the next 6 months" that has been going on for years and, more generally, the whole recent "AI" business.
As usual, researchers do something good, but businesses make it shit. Money ruins everything.