We agree on that.

I’ll ask you the same thing I asked nostr:npub12rze589jx0gg6kslkjfl2gxxkhtlw73t5shyve5qrglrv6c2qflqejj7ns though.

If you don’t like people claiming Bitcoin is a solution to these systemic flaws in our system of money and government, what do you think we should do?

Crossing our fingers and hoping is something we both agree is useless - so what other action would you recommend people take to save our institutions and prevent violent collapse? Would Bitcoin not be one of the best paths in achieving that goal?

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Of course, I believe bitcoin to be one of the tools. Our lack of trust in our institution is the major risk that I am concerned with,and that is what I think we are talking about here. The idea that bitcoin will lead us to Eden, wherein our institutions are dissolved and the US no longer provides stability and a counterweight to chaos, is where I get off the hopium train.

Maybe we’ve both been arguing based on false pretenses then. I don’t think that Bitcoin can dissolve all institutions, nor do I think it would be desirable, at least not for many decades.

I just think that it will make institutions better and more accountable to the people. If government were actually just a system of rule of law and management of utilities which suffer from the tragedy of the commons, I would be a huge supporter. Some form of social structures are necessary and beneficial.

I’d argue that things like mining pools, lightning service providers, and Bitcoin banks are forms of new institutions. That’s not a bad thing, because people actually demand them for the things that they are doing.

I think the “hopium” train can take you very far, quite far from the established way of doing things. You obviously understand that, because you’re communicating on Nostr and talking about Bitcoin. I personally would rather be extremely hopeful of the change that we can accomplish with freedom technologies and advocate for them, than worry people are getting too hopeful and detached from our current, much more grim reality.