We can already mute people and choose which relays to use & have paid relays. Do you really need more then that?
Ok if you do….
Dev are talking about implementing client level options to choose the algorithms or not to use one at all.
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Do you have any surface understanding of how this client level algo could be implemented? I am a developer and I don’t see anything possible to what you describe
If you mute people manually - then again you can only read a bunch of your friends, is this the experience you are looking for on nostr? Why wouldn’t you subscribe to some blogs/substacks instead?
Paid relays can’t handle spam/recommendations just by being paid. They have to “put some biased algo”
How this works at the technical level idk I am not a dev.
From my understanding it would be a client side option to use algorithms to filter content from relays.
The only content I block/mute is really air drop bots & cp/animecp the cp shit only really hits my feed because of the fedi bridges.
Choosing good relays fixes most of the issues
Mute/blocking fixes the rest.
Client side algorithms for those that can’t handle doing this on their own.
Well, I can tell you then what technical problems exist — paid/good relays work today cause nobody actually takes nostr seriously and it exists like echo chamber. It all ends once there are a lot of ppl to attract businesses, scammers, SEO/SMM specialists etc
Client side algos won’t work. Algo by design needs a big corpus of documents that gets processed non-stop and requires biased development of both engineers and data scientists. So its a server side thing and your phone will never handle it so its actually a type of moderation. Hopefully, somehow it will be possible to chose “algos providers” but technically its EXTREMELY challenging
Moderation is a very complex topic and it can’t be solved solely technically (again, unless all you want is to communicate with friends and family). You can start overview the most basic problems of centralized social networks here https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/02/hey-elon-let-me-help-you-speed-run-the-content-moderation-learning-curve/ which actually don’t go away anywhere just because we use standardized API format anyone can build for
I’m anti censorship.
Get it?
If you want censorship get the fuck off Nostr & go back to x, fb & wtf else ever corporately controlled "social media" platforms that already exist.
I personally do not care if nostr "fails" because it never catches on & goes mainstream…. Kinda sounds like bitcoin dying for the millionth time right?
It’s already won because it’s a protocol & not a platform owned my a greedy conglomerate.
I’m not trying to sound like an asshole or anything but nostr is an un-censurable protocol layer stop trying to censor the users & let them make their own choices.
Most people are just to used to being lied to about what’s on the fucking internet & it’s time for that shit to stop.
I don’t want to disappoint you with reality but nostr hasn’t won yet. And there are a lot of protocols created during last decades, many even more censorship-resistant, did they also win? If I create the same protocol as nostr but with all keywords capitalized or in spanish does it also win by default?
The problem with what you call censorship is complex because everyone views it in their personal way :) which is kinda incompatible with “global discourse”
And you also want moderation. Now you call it “mute and paid relays” and looking forward for “client algos” then you will call it “topical relays” or similar
There also will be people who will kinda get as close to “no moderation” as possible - by using only private/family relays (which is a moderation by social graph property under the hood)
So, moderation will always take place in something bigger than monologue. The question is how to take control over this moderation so it would match your needs as much as YOU want as possible instead of the platforms CEO AND keep room for global-or-similar discourse