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I've been saying this for years. I want my woman to have her own name her own stuff. I don't Want to own her as property. Keep your last name. You as a human dont belong to no other human. Ohh but kiss the ring and bow down.

Laeserin 1y ago

German law is more clear about this, as you can retain or attain your own property within a marriage, if you do it explicitly. That's why it's common for one spouse to own the house, and the other the business (the house can't be called up to service business debts, in case of bankruptcy).

Marriage has religious and personal significance for me, protects the interests of my children, and allows for a more efficient increase in wealth, but many people enter into marriage, denying that it's fundamentally a property contract. They confuse the wedding with the marriage.

And other people, who would benefit from having such a contract, don't get one because they think marriage is "just a piece of paper" and don't realize the purpose it has, until they land on the street because they actually have no legal right to stay in the house they were living in.

Or people enter into marriage and then later dissolve it, but instead of simply splitting property and going their own ways with their dowries and whatnot, one is reliant upon *future earnings* to care for dependents, which is just inviting massive money printing, to cover all of these open bills, if the other fails to pay up, skips town, or just refuses to work (or works on the black market).

Marry or don't, but know exactly what it is, what it does, and whether it is prudent.

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Beiner 1y ago

I just dont and would not invite a 3rd entity to my love life like the guberment. Its all about love but on paper your own and labeled. Marriage is about money straight up scam. Sorry

Laeserin 1y ago

Marriage is fundamentally a property contract between a man and a woman. The government doesn't have to be involved for it to be contracted.

This is part of my argument. People often enter into de facto marriages, with all of the consequences to property (including each other and any children or other dependents), and then split up and behave as if they had just been "friends with benefits". And the government is left to clean up the mess. But the government has no money. So they print the money.

People used to actively avoid entering into any relationship that even smelled like marriage because they knew they would be required to pay up, if the relationship dissolved. Money printing allowed everyone to just walk away, delaying payment into the next generation and then the next and the next.

Move in, move out. Play house, then sue for child support. Switch up lovers. Stay "single" and collect welfare for being a single parent, even though the other parent is still around. Divorce, sue for alimony.

Didn't work out? Send the taxpayer the bill. Roll out the printing presses.

Jacob Drafts 1y ago

And because the government pays the bills and on the surface everyone is taken care of, people’s neighbors and families don’t intervene. In a society without that government bail out? We can’t stop you from walking out on your spouse and children but you better have a very good reason. Otherwise you might end up without any friends in town and family that has nothing to do with you. Without the above mentioned money printing, how many people are moving around at a whim? That’s something that is enabled because developers can borrow billions of dollars, in aggregate, and build millions of prefabricated houses. Without that? Moving and starting over somewhere else because you burned your bridges in the community you were born in just became harder.

Laeserin 1y ago

Yes, more of the cost remains with the person who produced the cost. There's no get-out-of-bills escape clause because you can't just pass the buck to the Federal Reserve.

Your immediate family and neighbors are going to be stuck holding your debts and suffering under their weight and they know where you live, biatch. Even if you try to run away, they have a strong motivation to chase you down or make sure that your reputation precedes you.

Shotgun weddings used to be an actual thing, under the gold standard. Just sayin.

Jacob Drafts 1y ago

Back then you could just change your name and likely not be found if you had the control to never contact anyone from your old life again. That’s harder now. For good and for ill.