Cake Wallet's swap feature is dangerous to use as long as they use KYC middlemen. You could lose:

(a) all your money

(b) all your privacy

even (c) both...

... if those middlemen deem your exchange "suspicious".

Those middlemen include:

ChangeNow

Exolix

LetsExchange

StealthEx

Pretty much all of them, basically.

Probably best not to use Cake Wallet for swaps, and rely on strictly no KYC swap platforms like EigenWallet, Bisq and Haveno.

Thoughts, nostr:nprofile1qydhwumn8ghj7mn0wd68yttsw43zuum9d45hxmmv9ejx2aspr4mhxue69uhkummnw3ez6ur4vgh8wetvd3hhyer9wghxuet5qqsfzszrtw60ut24h28k0qy3cdyxhvpp2zx4lwyqzdfm7xwjsaxsj2qv20hur ? Maybe take this feature out until safety from KYC is assured.

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They aren't taking it out that's where they make their money, but yes I agree with you, I believe it can be toggled on and off though.

My concern is that people not fully aware of it, will use Cake's swap and then get shotgun KYC'd.

Shotgun KYC is basically holding your money and privacy to ransom. One of the worst aspects of it.

Nobody should collaborate with this.

At the very least, there should be a large warning placed in the app before making any swap. There is no such warning, at least not on the desktop app I use.

Almost all wallets are integrating swaps to monetize their app. It started with coinomi and changelly, which somehow hasn't been charged with fraud yet.

The only moble xmr wallet that I know of that doesnt have a swap service integrated is monfluo.

I know some of these swap services do shotgun KYC, and at least in the Monero world anyone that does that has historically been completely shunned, but many of them don't do that, or haven't done it yet, and know that their market is largely the Monero community. Lots of users find them useful, and as long as the app maintainers stick to responding to concerns from users of their swap features like they've been doing, it's an OK compromise IMO. We have sites like nostr:nprofile1qqsrnnzne83l04ycpvsmaf0tezjmnn0hlfjnjsctt2pxazk4yutgv4spr9mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuumwdae8gtnnda3kjctv9uq32amnwvaz7tmjv4skc7fwv3sk6atn9e5k7tcpzamhxue69uhhsmtj9e6hxetwdaehgu3wdaexwtch5wdjr that help us navigate the privacy landscape with regard to these services and the status quo seems positive, at least for now.

“in the Monero world anyone that does that has historically been completely shunned” my ass

#stealthEX are well known #shotgunKYC and still sponsoring monero talk

in last 7 years I’ve heard of shotgun kyc happen like twice with cake users. Basically non-existent.

We have a deal with our providers that if user refused kyc, the funds will be returned. But like i said its happened twice. Furthermore you can choose your provider in cake. All good questions and concerns.

CakeWallet could integrate with EigenWallet.

It's just too profitable at the moment to not to.

I gotta look into that

If you need more suggestions for your wallet feel free to ask us.

In the suggested model above there might even be a business opportunity to operate an ASR.

If EigenWallet or some other trustless swaps could be integrated then great.

You may have deals with those other providers to refund the money if users refuse to do KYC, but that can change suddenly and still ultimately amounts to "trust me bro".

I use bisq, it works flawlessly. Its just perfect. Yes, the fees are high sometimes if you take offers, but at least they don't lie

#KYCNotMe

Take feature out, or remove the shotgun KYC, or outright KYC partners, keep it up and running? 🤔

I wanted to try out Bisq, but it seems most people require you to identify. This seems to defeat the purpose of Bisq.

7 years with no problems.

You can choose what providers you want to in cake. But like I said above, 7 years and no problems so far