This is the most important conversation more people need to join in on.

Using centralizing, invasive platforms for convenience is antithetical to everything that most people who want personal liberty espouse, especially when the people using those platforms are setting themselves up to get rugged (or even jailed) when those services are inevitably weaponized against them, and then nostr at large.

Not seeing the obvious threat and capitulating to the impulse to do that easy thing is so friggin' frustrating to see in people who are otherwise smart and capable. I'm not very much of either, but I'm very attuned to various threats to my personal liberty. I do not want every single video or photo I post to be sent through cloudflare or MS servers. It is so friggin easy for that to be misused. That's the point. Value your data, your life more than a "free" service. I don't use windows. I de-googled my phone. I use mostly FOSS in putting my limited time and energy into things that are not actively trying to strip me off my humanity. I think all of you should, too.

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stay anon, dont post pics that could come back to your identity otherwise youve accepted the future where that comes back to bite you. its a scary world we live in and will live in

That's mostly what I do, but I enjoy sharing pics of flowers and my work. I'm not doing that until I can host my own in the future.

this is what bloom will solve... i believe, although ill admit im not too in tune to that innovation yet

I know nothing about that, so... 🤷‍♂️😅😎

bro. nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 himself is pushing central censorship. i dunno if we gonna make it

Yeah. I know. I'm not a fan. It'll be a wild ride, so... I'm gonna see how it goes.

kinda where I am at now that I know the core devs are this larpy about freedom.

Source?

check that thread. he recommends censoring at the relay and says thats how he envisions it.

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What aspect do you think is centralising? In my opinion, relays should be able to control what content they allow and to do so by whatever means. It is up to the users to pick relays that do so in a way that they think is fair.

IMO, relays should be note-agnostic. Anything that interferes with that is going to curtail the free transmission of notes, whatever the kind. Setting aside the very obvious flaws in the following analogy, relays should just be the connected backbone to allow you to make phone calls. They shouldn't stop you from talking about "illegal" things. It should be up the the client to decide what to reject "listening" to.

These are all things that need to be hashed out before building an extensive mesh network as an alternative to the internet.

Obviously there are considerations for t relay operators, but I would suggest that if someone isn't able to make a principled stand and risk jail time or execution for freedom, then, well, they shouldn't be offering a service that has that potential.

Limiting liberty should only be done at the individual level. Offering a service to others is no longer an individual enterprise and should, IMO, be done as freely as possible.

I'm still noodling this over as I'm sure it's not as sound an argument as it should be.

none. relay opereators who look at other ppls data are peeping toms at best. its not yours dont touch it. dont look at it. It used to be basic sysadmin and DBA training that even if you see the data you just forget it instantly. now its acceptablebehaviour to just snoop in ppl things??? what is the arguement here? I took your uber ride so you can look in my briefcase if you like cuz is your car?

such scumball behavior that no one calls out is why we lose

thats word games. we all know ppl will do what is expedient or what they start out doing etc not choose for real reason like privacy. there is no reason to ignore this while promoting such a facile approach unless you have some desire to have insight or control into the data that traverses your server.

lemme make this easy. I have been telling sysadmins, dba, and all othe minders of the SLAs for decades. The data is not yours. dont look at it. dont munge it, dont process it, dont friggin mess with it.

This is why sysadmins and service providers have been bottom of tech totem from the beginning. Them, sales and desktop support. Because when they get a chance they pull the data grab and sniff. They are like data perverts.

Leave the data alone. is not urs. why do you want to see it perv?

and all you have to do is draw out a diagram of the network to see. the creator even says they are a centralization risk but was best could do. design needs improving. no reason the whole thing plain text anyway. federated and encrypted would have been the way out of the gate if privacy was really the aim.

whatever this is, it was not built for privacy.

disappointing enough but then his behavior was churlish to top it off. such a disappointment. I hoped for better and told him so. He simply left convo to post another snarky note on one of my threads. so disappointing.

Beautiful words, but I can't see the note you're quoting because there are no relay hints and it only works (probably) for people who are connected to a handful of central relays that are expected to store all the notes.

Well, you'd know more about that than I would since I'm still learning the very basics of nostr.

Lol