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Yes. Even when analyzing graphs, how you analyze them and how you build up the matrices of weights makes a huge difference.

Imagine you want to find out who the most influential person in a company is. It's basically a bunch of people and a bunch of connections. If you use a naive approach the algo might spit out the secretary, because everyone is connected to her and the boss has only very few connections.

We are in a similar situation when you want to compute what accounts are trustworthy.

Niel Liesmons 9mo ago

Totally agree. Hence why I'm so stoked about #communikeys and Community Admins as high signal nodes in the graph. A follow from an npub that manages (takes on responsibility for) a community > a random follow.

My question above is more about what's the most efficient method to do "follows" in the first place.

A) Use Lists (that apps can mess up every time they want to add/remove someone + I'm guessing are not so easy to parse)

B) Use individual Relationship Status events (of which "follow" is just one type + which offer tons more flexibility and optional privacy)

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cloud fodder 9mo ago

lists seem to be failing us for many reasons, im all for trying the individual events, maybe that's better

Niel Liesmons 9mo ago

Me too. And communities offer a kinda clean slate for fixing the obvious mistakes made in the pUbLiC sQuArE sphere.

But it's still intimidating (sunk cost, momentum and all), so I'd prefer to have a long list of solid arguments / advantages.

cloud fodder 9mo ago

ive got some lists.. of the adv/disadv of lists.. 😁 maybe i could write them down.. 🤔

Niel Liesmons 9mo ago

For me, this is the simplest rule:

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verbiricha 9mo ago

How would you remove an event from a label collection? Delete the label event?

Niel Liesmons 9mo ago

Only if that removes all labels from the event, yes.

If not, you just remove "follow" and leave "bitcoiner" (+ other labels) in there.

That's how I read the NIP at least.

cloud fodder 9mo ago

trying to delete/modify and events getting spread far and wide past the relays theyre supposed to be on.. are part of why both solutions struggle..

imagine a scenario, if you're using delete to unfollow, that wont work. i could have you refollow me just by republishing the label you created.

(see how it gets weird?)

Niel Liesmons 9mo ago

Wait, why can't we just look at the Profile's relay as the authority?

This is a more general "Delete" + "What Is The Latest Version?" problem and is imo fixed by just looking at the authoritative relay.

For Communities → main relay

For Individual Profiles → main relay

cloud fodder 9mo ago

as long as you know what relay to look at yes, but the state of relay lists is pretty bad rn.. (stale, invalid, spread too far, etc)

for a community, yeah thats more of an authority than a relay list can be since its tied closer with the communities relays as the source.

Niel Liesmons 9mo ago

Lol, yeah agreed on the state of affairs.

That's just because there's no daily driver apps that let you manage your relay in the app. Yet.