Still not getting it. You CANNOT have trustless payments without a monetary asset that is free of state control. Otherwise all of the plethora of precursors to Bitcoin that didn’t create their own monetary unit would’ve worked fine and we never would’ve needed the bitcoin unit.

Example: the ecash protocol was invented almost 2 decades prior to bitcoin, but what good was it if there was no permissionless monetary base to implement it on.

We are still talking past each other. You keep saying “the web is so important” and giving examples of how badly we need the web. And I am AGREEING with that, but explaining that without TCP/IP the web is meaningless and doesn’t exist.